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  1. Not fooled in Nevada says:

    The big difference is that Cruz did not relinquish his passport or citizenship like OSHAMO and his so-called mother..Big difference in the circumstances, folks! NO OBAMA!!!!!!!!

    • smrstrauss says:

      Obama did not relinquish his passport or citizenship, which can only be done IN WRITING before a consular official and there is no record of it happening (and a US child cannot lose his citizenship at all).

  2. The Media Lies again, Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, he was born in Kenya, Mombassa, in Coast General Hospital. So, If we are wrong…shoiw the LEGAL and LAWFUL Birth certificate!! Then we will know! How come the media treats obama differant than Cruz!

    • RacerJim says:

      There is just as much, if not more, prima facie evidence that Obama was born in Mombassa Kenya, in Coast General Hospital, than there is that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii, in one of the two hospitals he has claimed in was born in. Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah knows we are not wrong….that's why he has never shown his original birth certificate!! Then his game will be over! Obviously the media treats Obama different than Cruz because Obama is a lying liberal just like the media.

    • jon graham says:

      what do you think the b in msnbc stands for?

    • smrstrauss says:

      The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

      Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof. (Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

      Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

      And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

      “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

      “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
      http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

      Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

      Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

      Oh, and there is this:
      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

      Is that all? NO there is more.

      Birthers allege that the Kenyan government has hidden all documents that prove that Obama's mother went to Kenya. Well, that is possible, but not likely—such things tend to leak. But what about the US government? Did it hide its records too?

      That is because, obviously, if a child were born in Kenya she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. We simply do not allow a child to be carried into the USA without some form of official document. (Except some are smuggled across the Mexican and Canadian borders, but Kenya does not have a land border with the USA.) And a US travel document, such as having Obama added to his mother's US passport would have required an application for that document in the US consulate in Nairobi Kenya.

      That application would have been filed in multiple files, and there would have been communication about it with Washington, so it would be difficult to be lost or scrapped. And the Bush Administration was in charge of the US State Department for eight years until early 2009, so they could have found it, and if they did they would surely have shown it, and they didn't.

      So, for the "born in Kenya" story to be true, both Kenya and the Bush Administration must be part of a plot. Hawaii too, of course, and that would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii.

  3. The MEDIA needs to stop LYING: BOTH Parents and the child need to have beem born in the U.S.A. and that's IT!! IF you are not born here as well as your parents then DO NOT run, you are NOT a U.S.Citizen!!!

    • Dan Stewart says:

      Both parents must be US citizens at time of birth, obummers father was NEVER a US citizen, so even if he was born in Hawaii, which I doubt, he is still NOT a natural born US citizen.

      • Edwardkoziol says:

        Dan I'd like to know how can beaners come to the US and spit out their kids and all of a sudden they're legal citizens without having one parent a real citizen.

      • smrstrauss says:

        No, the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. See above.

    • RacerJim says:

      With all due respect, Homer, you also need to stop lying. Where either parent was born doesn't matter but, rather, what matters is that BOTH parents must be U.S. citizens when the child is born. Also, the child doesn't need to be born in the U.S.A. per se (actually in one of the States) but, rather, only on soil under U.S. government administration…a U.S. Embassy, a U.S. military base, etc.

    • smrstrauss says:

      No, the original meaning of Natural Born citizen simply refers to the place of birth. The US Supreme Court has ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case (which BTW was AFTER Minor v. Happersett) that every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

      "Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,

      Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

      Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

      Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

      Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion. [The judge cites Hollander and Ankeny]

      Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”

  4. Edwardkoziol says:

    Well this Prof is right about one thing no court would get involved too chicken shit

  5. B . Lee says:

    Video conclusion is questionable.
    Natural Born Citizen is a person who is born in the US to two US Citizens who were citizens when the person was born. Obama not born in the US to two citizens hence he is not qualified to run or be president. Likewise Rubio and Cruze are not qualified. Obama not qualified. He was born in Kenya and his father was never a citizen.

    • smrstrauss says:

      No, the original meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the use of Natural Born in the common law, which refers to the PLACE of birth. See above.

  6. O man what a bunch of garbage and it stinks to high heaven. Get this in 2007 Obama co-sponsored a bill that related to this very subject and also per the Constitution: a sitting president must to be a "natural born citizen" meaning that both parents must be U.S. citizens and so must any president be a U.S. Citizen. The situation with Obama is that in his book Dreams from my Father it totally declares that his father was a British subject. In 1948 England passed a law that said basically: any child born or a British citizen inherits their fathers nationality no matter where they are born in this world!!! Therefore this makes Obama a British Subject and it doesn't matter where in the HE!! he was born in this world he is a BRITISH subject.

    • Therefore in my opinion and deduction of all of the above we have a President that could not be "vetted" because he is NOT a "natural born citizen." This is why no one vetted this usurper, and anyone that gave this FRAUD electoral votes is complicit in this fraud of all frauds against our Nation. None of the states filed affidavits with that special stamped clause on their affidavits that said: we have verified that the President is a legal U.S. Citizen because they have NOT verified his records because they were all sealed. Go figure huh? Proof now in Alabama THREE different birth certificates have appeared and none are the SAME??? Good luck with that one.

    • smrstrauss says:

      Obama co-sponsored a bill that said that McCain, who was born on a US naval base and had two citizen parents, was eligible. But that bill did not say that everyone had to be born on a US navel base or that everyone had to have two citizen parents. The reason that he ran, and the reason that the US Electoral College elected him without a single member voting to change the vote of that state to switch that vote from Obama to McCain in 2008 or from Obama to Mitt Romney in 2012 is that, duh, the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents. Not two parents, not even one parent, the PLACE OF BIRTH.

      “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      Other articles on the subject:
      http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is
      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
      http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/s

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