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Carl Gallups interviews Dr. Grace Vuoto about the death of Loretta Fuddy, who played a huge part in the controversy over Obama’s birth certificate.





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  1. smrstrauss says:

    Fuddy was not the only official to have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii. There were at least three others, all Republican, and all of whom are still alive. In addition to these three people who confirmed (four including Fuddy), there is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

    Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

    (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

    Here is the Index Data file:
    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

    • If you are so very certain all is legit, then why are there deaths associated with information uncovered about this man? Please, give me another link that gives the official explanation and the verification of and lawful authorization to kill those that investigate anyone.
      Thank you, I wait your ultimate expertise and knowledge.

      • smrstrauss says:

        There is NO evidence whatever that Obama had anyone involved with his birth certificate killed or for that matter any American citizen. (He does authorize drone strikes against terrorists, however.) Yes, people do die, but guess what, dying is normal. Some 2.4 million people die in the USA every year. Fuddy was the only official of at least FOUR who had confirmed Obama's birth in Hawaii, and the other three are still alive. And there isn't a particle of evidence that she was about to make a statement on the subject. So, all you have is that one of four officials died. She was the only one to die of eight or nine passengers in the plane crash, to be sure, but then she was 65 years old, and there is no indication that she was a good swimmer. In addition to the three officials who are still alive (and Fuddy, since there is no indication that she would change her mind), there is the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961—and there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did).

      • smrstrauss says:

        Re: "If you are so very certain all is legit, then why are there deaths associated with information uncovered about this man?"

        Answer: Did you know that about 2.5 million people die in the USA EVERY year?

        There are no links to the deaths you are referring to. For example, there is NO indication at all that Fuddy was about to change her story .IF there were, maybe you could claim that there was a link, but there wasn't. And at least three officials also confirmed Obama's birth certificate (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii) and all three are still alive. And in addition to the four people who confirmed, there is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

    • Mark Erickson says:

      He may have been born in Hawaii, But his real birth certificate probably says "Father Unknown" or "Frank Marshall Davis" with whom Barack's mother was cavorting at what would be the time of his conception. Google him!… The president is the spitting image – the complexion, the fine features, and the "age" spots which continue to appear on his face…

      • smrstrauss says:

        Obama's real birth certificate has been shown. It says that Obama's father was Obama SENIOR. How do we know, because the officials in Hawaii of both parties stated that the facts on Obama's birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him, and the copy of the birth certificate that the White House put online says that Obama's senior, Barack Hussein Obama I, was Obama's.

        That just makes him the legal father, of course. But the odds of Davis being Obama's DNA father are exactly the same as someone other than Mitt Romney having been Mitt Romney's DNA father, or George W. Bush's DNA father or your DNA father or my DNA father. And, guess what, it does not matter in the slightest for legal or even political purposes (you cannot inherit communism through DNA).

        In any case, the claim that Obama's "real birth certificate" is different from the one the White House published IS FALSE. The facts are exactly the same.

        • Seeks_the_truth says:

          "Obama's real birth certificate has been shown."

          Would you mind providing a link to it? I have yet, as well as millions more, to see the real birth certificate of barack obama.
          The one posted on the WH.gov website has been proven beyond a doubt to be fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "The one posted on the WH.gov website has been proven beyond a doubt to be fake. "

            That is what birthers keep on saying, but they are fooling themselves—and nobody else. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated (1) they sent the birth certifiates, short-form and long-form to Obama, and (2) that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent him. Naturally birther keep on saying that "it is forged," and "it is obviously forged" and "a child could see that it is forged"–but those ALL are lies. It is not forged. Yes, there are layers (that is how pdf works). Yes there are anomalies, that is how the Xerox WorkCenter scans and compresses complex documents (and security paper is DESIGNED to create anomalies), but Obama's birth certificate is NOT forged, no matter how often birthers say it. It is just another birther lie–like these:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC—when there weren't ANY???

            (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So in short, you DON'T have a link to a valid birth certificate for barack obama.
            I didn't think you did.

          • Edwardkoziol says:

            Keep up the assualt on this turkey strauss you got him or her on the ropes.He is better at dodging you the Ali doing the rope a dope.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's short form and long-form birth certificates that Obama put online are both valid. You saying that they are not valid does not make them not valid.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So, where are the links to a valid birth certificate? You didn't post one.

          • smrstrauss says:
          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I said valid. These have already been proven by law enforcement with concrete evidence to be fraudulent.
            So you DON'T have links to a valid birth certificate for barack obama. Why didn't you just say so?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "I said valid. These have already been proven by law enforcement with concrete evidence to be fraudulent. "

            Answer: I provided VALID documents. YOUR claim that law enforcement "had proven with concrete evidence to be fraudulent" is wrong. Neither the Cold Case Posse, which the National Review regards as loony, nor anyone else has "proven" that the images of Obama's short form or long form birth certificates are forged. Birthers simply claim that they proved it, and they claim it over and over and over—but that does not make it true.

            However, I'm delighted to show the documents AGAIN. First the short form and long form birth certificates, which the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copies are exactly the same as on what they sent to him:
            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/preside….

            And: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

            (Notice the raised seal on the back.) And, BTW, the SHORT FORM birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports. And, in fact, Mitt Romney showed only his short-form birth certificate.)

          • smrstrauss says:

            Next, a link to most of the documents that confirm that the officials in Hawaii sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the published image match what they sent to him:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            Also, the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
            http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob

            Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed MANY TIMES.

          • smrstrauss says:

            And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

            Here is the statement of the former Hawaii teacher who recalled being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961 and writing home to her father (named Stanley) about hearing that a child was born to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the statement by the Kenyan embassy that Obama was not born there:

            http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

            And here is the US Immigration and Naturalization Service Report for 1961 that shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in that year, and that all but one of the 21 came by ship (and there were no regularly scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961):
            http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962uni

            Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the statement by the NBC reporter, Savannah Gutherie, that she had felt the raised seal on Obama's birth certificate:

            https://twitter.com/SavannahGuthrie/status/633738

            In addition to all those facts, there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And in 1961 EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy due to the high risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites have convinced a few highly GULLIBLE people to assume that Obama's mother was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad in the last few months of pregnancy (earlier would not have been possible because she attended college for most of that year), and that she traveled alone (WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) to Kenya (despite the Kenyan government saying that it did not happen) or some other country (there is no evidence of that either) and that ALL the documents shown above are either forged or based on lies.

            Instead, obviously, it is the birther sites that are lying, and they have done so repeatedly. In particular, their claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (when the tape recording shows that she said that he was born in Hawaii, and birthers simply cut off the tape recording before she said it) is particularly glaring. Other lies include forged "Kenyan birth certificates" (one with a baby footprint done by a convicted felon) forged videos claiming that Obama said "I was born in Kenya" (but you cannot see his mouth move, and the original of the videos is available and it does not mention Kenya) and the lie of Tim Adams that other members of the Hawaii Election commission had told him that there was no Hawaii birth certificate for Obama (but Tim Smith is a member of White Supremacist organizations, and the Election Commission never had access to the birth certificate files).

            The claim that Obama's birth certificate is "obviously forged" is simply another, more complicated LIE.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Again, you DON'T have a link to a valid birth certificate for barack obama.
            As told before, a law enforcement office has officially shown that the one at WH.gov IS fraudulent.

            Either post a link to a VALID birth certificate, and legally acceptable documentation, or admit you don't have one. It's a very simple request.

            You don't have one. We understand.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Delighted to show two links to perfectly valid Hawaii birth certificates for Obama

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/preside….

            And: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

            The fact that YOU claim that they are not valid does not make them so.

          • You mean like these? http://obamanotqualified.com/images/nordyke-twins
            Yeah, I know you've seen these before and dismissed them quickly. But, if Obama's was legitimate, shouldn't it look like these two? Are you delighted now?

          • smrstrauss says:

            No, neither his short form birth certificate, issued to him in 2007, nor his long form birth certificate, issued to him in 2011, should look like birth certificates issued in 1961.

            The two you show use old photocopy technology, white on black. Obama's new, certified, birth certificates are on the latest security paper. The short form is a computer-generated document, as it is supposed to be. The long-form used current photocopy technology on modern security paper. So, why should they look like old white-on-black photocopies that are NOT on security paper?

            The facts remain that the officials of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the short form and long form to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

            I continue to be delighted to show the facts.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            But because YOU claim they are valid, makes them so?

          • smrstrauss says:

            See reply to definition below. Obama's short form and long form birth certificates fit all four points. They were sent to him by the DOH of Hawaii.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            And now we finally get to the base. You have no independent thoughts of your own.
            You have been told what to say regardless of what the evidence shows.
            Got it.
            You're a follower.

          • smrstrauss says:

            None of which shows that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his birth certificate is forged.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            No one knows where obama was born. No one has seen a valid birth certificate for him.
            The one presented is a forgery.

          • smrstrauss says:

            For Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii: (1) His mother would have had to have had a passport (and there is no evidence that she did, and very few 18-year-olds did at the time); (2) She would have had to have traveled abroad during the last three months of pregnancy, and EXTREMELY few women did at the time due to the risk of stillbirths; and (3) the birth certificate of Hawaii AND the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, AND the Index Data, AND the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley——would ALL have to be lying.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            What does any of the propaganda have to do with the evidence that proves the birth certificate presented as that of barack obama is a fake?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Since Obama really was born in Hawaii, and for him to have been born anywhere else his mother would have had to have traveled abroad in 1961 (highly unlikely for the reasons shown) AND the officials and the Index Data and the birth notices all be lying, then the claim that his birth certificate is forged is loony too.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Doesn't change the fact that the birth certificate presented as that of barack obama is fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            THAT comment does not show that it is fake. It is a claim. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. Neither your claims nor that of Sheriff Joe can change that.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Evidence shows otherwise.
            Evidence shows the birth certificate for obama is without a doubt, fake.

            No opinion can change these facts.

          • smrstrauss says:

            There is no "evidence."

            Obama has shown both the short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii. They both are valid.

            Birther sites simply claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged and call that "evidence." They are lying in that claim as they did in the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She said that he was born in Hawaii, but birther sites cut off the tape recording just before she said "…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.)

            So to say that there is "Evidence" that Obama's birth certificate was forged is just another LIE. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are the same as on what they sent him. The fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is also confirmed by the public index data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            And birther sites have not shown their readers the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—I wonder why they do not do that??

            And birther sites have never discussed the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research—I wonder why they do not do that too?

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • smrstrauss says:

            And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated in writing repeatedly that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are correct. And this is further confirmed by the public Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I can claim I'm the president. Doesn't make it so.
            The evidence and facts prove the birth certificate is a fake.

            Evidence supersedes opinions.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The EVIDENCE shows it's fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

            For Obama to have been born anywhere else than Hawaii: (1) his mother would have had to have made an extremely rare and dangerous trip late in pregnancy; (2) the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) plus the Index Data and the birth notices would all have to be lying. So, since Obama really was born in Hawaii—why should he forge his birth certificate? Birther “experts” saying “there is evidence” it is forged is simply another of their lies. Birther sites not showing the real experts who say Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged confirms their bias. Saying “there is evidence the sun raises in the West” does NOT make it raise in the West.

            Saying "There is evidence" does not mean that there really is evidence.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            But of course. EVERYONE is lying EXCEPT obama and his defenders.

            Can't change the evidence and facts, use propaganda and slander.
            Like it or not, the evidence proves the birth certificate is fake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I now understand. You have a comprehension issue.
            You don't understand what the word 'valid' means.

            Let me help you:
            valid (ˈvælɪd) -adj
            1. having some foundation; based on truth
            2. legally acceptable: a valid license
            3. a.having legal force; effective b.having legal authority; binding
            4. having some force or cogency: a valid point in a debate

            Understand now?

            It's ok. You've already shown your ignorance.

            If you ever find a link to a valid birth certificate for barack obama, I would be happy to see it. So would millions of others.
            Post it if you ever find it.

            And so you understand, it's not me that has stated it's fake, it's a Law Enforcement Agency with professionals in their field that have solid evidence that states it's fake.
            I just followed the facts.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Thanks for the definition. Obama's birth certificate fits all four points. All four.

            Both the short form and long form birth certificates are the legal birth certificates of Hawaii, sent to him by the DOH of Hawaii, confirmed that they were sent to him by officials of BOTH parties of the government of Hawaii. Neither your opinion about it being forged, nor birther "experts" making their repeated claims about it being forged nor the nut Sheriff's nutty claims can change any of that. And, in fact, ALL of the Sheriff's claims and the birther ":experts" claims have been disproved over and over again. Obama's election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress twice. That means that not a single member in the 535 members (and at the time that included Reps. Michelle Bachmann and Ron Paul) believes the nutty birther claims. The CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona, Sheriff Joe's own state, does not believe them. He believes the officials of Hawaii.

            The short form and long form birth certificates were sent to Obama by the DOH of Hawaii, confirmed by the officials. And the fact that Hawaii issued a BC to Obama is also confirmed by the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. Neither Sheriff Joe nor birther "experts" have disproved these three facts. Obama's short form and long form birth certificates, which I provided links to, are VALID.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Feel free to post the link to the valid birth certificate you ramble on about.
            I, as well as millions others, would love to see it.
            As stated, the one posted at WH.gov has been proven fraudulent.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Feel free to keep on CLAIMING that Obama's valid birth certificate has been proven fraudulent, but it hasn't.

            Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii and the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Feel free to keep ignoring the fact that the birth certificate for barack obama has been shown to be fraudlent.
            We understand how gullible to the lies and propaganda you are.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The fact that a biased sheriff and birther "experts" keep claiming that Obama's birth certificate is forged do not make it forged.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The evidence can be biased or lie? You don't make sense.

            So you wish everyone to ignore the evidence that the birth certificate presented as that of barack obama is a fake and believe that obama is the ONLY one telling the truth? You are delusional.

          • smrstrauss says:

            It's not evidence.

            This is what YOU are ignoring:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            And:
            <a href="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?s=indicting+sheriff+joe&submit=&quot; target="_blank"&gt <a href="http://;http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?s=indicting+sheri…” target=”_blank”>;http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/?s=indicting+sheri

            And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

            Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

            Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

            John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

            Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

            Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

            Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

            And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

            Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So again, what does the propaganda have to do with the fact that the birth certificate posted as that of barack obama on WH.gov is fraudulent as is all other documents presented?

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Where is the link to a valid birth certificate? The evidence shown by an investigation by Law Enforcement Agency says the one posted on WH.gov is fake.

            You can ignore, but you can't change the facts.

            The propaganda you push doesn't negate the facts.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The claims of Sheriff Joe are not evidence.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Who said anything about what a person said?
            So a Sheriff is lying but obama, who has been caught in MANY lies, isn't?

            The EVIDENCE says the birth certificate is fake.
            How does evidence lie?

          • Seeks, did you notice how circular this line of commentary is? You say one thing, she copy-pastas the same thing over and over and over, not really putting any effort into her counter. It's a very predictable pattern. She's like a computer program. If met with A. respond with B. and so on. Very coached and left with little room for deviation. I also notice that she does not present any new evidence. She relies on out of date material and dismisses the updated evidence as simple lies. These are kindergarten tactics of basic contradiction: "Yes it is. No it isn't." Most laughable, wouldn't you agree?

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            It's almost as if they are issued a flow chart with the copy and paste talking points with their position of defense.
            If A is stated reply B. If C is stated return to A.
            I have challenged ellen, and others, to state their own opinions to no avail.
            The best is EVERYONE is lying EXCEPT those defending obama. I guess since they are so gullible, others must be is their thought.
            I wouldn't call this kindergarten. A kindergartener at least has an opinion they state.
            This is more of a paid online defense system. I like to hope they're paid. Otherwise, it means they are willfully ignorant and that would be too disheartening.
            I too get a chuckle out of them. Especially when asked why don't they just let it play out in a court of law if there are no worries, as you asked earlier.
            I can almost hear the crickets now….

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama has lied and made mistakes in what he said, as have most presidents. But that does not make him born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged. There is NO evidence that Obama's birth certificate is fake. There are only repeated birther claims (some saying "you see, there are layers, there would not be layers if it were not forged." But there WOULD be layers because that is how pdf works) that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

            The FACTS are that Obama has shown both his short-term and long-term birth certificates. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed that they SENT then to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy shown by the White House are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet a few gullible people think that BOTH of the following happened: (1) Obama's mother was one of the EXTREMELY few: and, (2) The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

            Yes, people do lie, birthers do, and there are many examples of it. And their claims about Obama's birth certificate being forged are just another of their lies. The lied about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said. She NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, but the birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked where Obama was born. They lied about what Governor Abernathy said. He never said that Obama's birth certificate could not be found (and in fact four officials of Hawaii, three of them Republicans) said that the birth certificate was in the DOH files where it supposed to be. They lied about Obama's lawyer "admitting" that Obama's birth certificate was forged—-she never said any such thing. They claim that Obama became an Indonesian citizen—though a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will convince anyone (why not make the call? Ask for the press officer) that he was never a citizen of Indonesia. And birthers have repeatedly forged videos claiming that Obama said "I was born in Kenya"–but you cannot see his mouth move. And they have forged "Kenyan birth certificates" three times, once with a baby footprint (which was put online by a convicted felon who claimed that he got it in Kenya but refused to show evidence that he had ever been to Kenya).

            So, when it comes down to whether to believe birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged and that he was born in a foreign country or the statements of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers (which only the DOH could send notices to), it is obvious who to believe. Obama really was born in Hawaii, and the birthers are lying about his birth certificate being forged. (And to make it even more certain, the birther sites never showed their readers the numerous real document experts who say that the birth certificate is not forged—just as they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just when the grandmother started to say "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.") And they have never even discussed the Xerox WorkCentre findings.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Others sitting in the White House caught in lies were either impeached or resigned. Not so for obama.

            Still working with that flow chart I see. You chose to ignore the facts and rely on the lies you have been gullible to accept.

            The evidence shows the birth certificate posted on the WH.gov website purposed to be of barrack obama is fake.
            You can ignore the evidence, but you can't change it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Actually, there isn't any evidence at all.

            There are simply birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is fake. But the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the short form and the long form to Obama, and that all the facts are correct. And the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi….

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04….

            You and other birthers claiming that Obama's birth certificate is a fake does not make it a fake.

            And, BTW, birthers have never shown their readers all the real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged. Nor have they explained the evidence of the Xerox WorkCentre.
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So others have done it, obama can eh?
            Nixon resigned before being impeached. Clinton was impeached.
            Obama has yet for either even after being caught in many lies and deceptions and scandals.

            Now he wishes people to ignore the facts of the evidence that proves the birth certificate is fake.
            People like you happy oblige.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Obama has lied and should be impeached for not only his lies, but his theft, treason, giving aid to the enemy, deception and many other reasons.
            This is in addition to his presenting a fraudulent document as his birth certificate.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Obama needs to be impeached for his many lies, treason, giving aid to the enemy in addition to his presenting a fraudulent document.
            The evidence proves the birth certificate is a fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            You have the absolute right to recommend to your congressman and senators that they impeach Obama. But they have the right to ignore you, and—if you claim that he was born in a foreign country or that his birth certificate is forged—they are likely to laugh at you.

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

            For Obama to have been born anywhere else than Hawaii: (1) his mother would have had to have made an extremely rare and dangerous trip late in pregnancy; (2) the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) plus the Index Data and the birth notices would all have to be lying. So, since Obama really was born in Hawaii—why should he forge his birth certificate? Birther “experts” saying “there is evidence” it is forged is simply another of their lies. Birther sites not showing the real experts who say Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged confirms their bias. Saying “there is evidence the sun raises in the West” does NOT make it raise in the West.

          • smrstrauss says:

            BTW, if Obama were impeached—-and so far there is not even a congressional hearing on the subject (and it takes a two-thirds vote of the senate to convict in an impeachment trial)—–then Joe Biden would become president.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            That's why your so scared. That's why you continue with your slander and propaganda.
            You KNOW that when the GOP overtakes the Senate come November, obama and biden are out.

            Again you show your ignorance. There IS a bill in Congress for the impeachment of obama.
            You've been stuck posting propaganda you lost reality.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            That's why you're so scared. Your messiah being impeached.
            Not only for his illegal acts but for presenting a fraudulent document.

          • JoeDoobey says:

            Recently email were circulated crediting:

            RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB
            Attorney at Law
            354 Eisenhower Parkway
            Livingston , NJ 07039
            AV (r) Preeminent(tm)rated since 1981
            Highest Possible Peer Distinction

            for noting the following documented errors in the birth certificate published by buttcrack obummer:

            The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 & Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, Right ? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya , East Africa ".

            This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that
            Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet Exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate". (check it below)
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya)

            On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
            This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were
            called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", Respectively.
            The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.
            How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978 ?
            (CHECK IT BELOW)
            http://http/http/www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx&gt; (http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx)

            Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media ?

            Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate" says
            his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936-if my math holds (Honest! I did That without a calculator!!!) Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the author's goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old.
            Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes (still Obama, our president qualifies as a "liar") ?

            Call him a birther or what you like but he correctly labels buttcrack obummer as a "LIAR". That my friends is a truth anyone with an IQ equal to a rock would agree with. obummers birth certificate is as full of BS as he is.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I'm surprised ellen (smrstrauss) hasn't informed you yet.
            You see, those reporting on Kenya and the hospitals names are wrong. They are the ones mixed up. Kenya 'had it's name hundred of years earlier'. The hospital has always went by the name on the certificate. It's the 'birthers', and the rest of the world, that are mistaken. There was even an article in some newspaper that proves it.
            As with the book, it's the lit agent who is to blame. The agent has accepted the responsibility, for a 'small' fee of course, for any/all 'typos' or misinformation in the book, like when it states obama's birth place as Kenya.
            It's EVERYONE else that is either lying or wrong. The ONLY ones who are right are those defending oblameo.
            If you say otherwise, you are a racist/bigot/liar/hater….

          • smrstrauss says:

            FACTUAL Answer to that stupid E-Mail (which has been going around for years):

            Re: “In 1961 people of color were called “Negroes.” So how can the Obama “birth certificate” state he is “African-American” when the term wasn’t even used at that time?”

            ANSWER: First it does not say “African-American.” It says “African.” Only African.

            The explanation is simple. Very simple. In Hawaii you were allowed to use any word
            you wanted to describe your race. There was no checklist, and no one stood over you saying what you had to enter. There are entries in Hawaii of people listing their race as “American.” So you were allowed to use any word you wanted.

            And what was the word that African exchange students commonly used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: African.

            Re: 2. “… Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known then as the “British East Africa Protectorate”.”

            Answer. You are out of date with that name. Kenya stopped being called the British East African Protectorate in 1920. In that year it was renamed. What was the name? THE KENYA COLONY. And people can and do come to the USA from colonies as well as from countries.

            In short, the place Obama's father came from was really called Kenya (Kenya short for “The Kenya Colony”), and it was in East Africa, so the entry Kenya, East Africa is correct.

            Re: “3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. ”

            Answer: You are referring to two other hospitals. But, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital DID exist in 1961.

            How do we know? Well, on WND’s site there are birth certificates for the Nordkye Twins, born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and what is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Answer: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

            As for the last question, Obama’s book simply does not say that his father was in WWII. It says that his GRANDfather was in WWII, and his grandfather really was in WWII. Perhaps someone who told you this failed to see the GRAND in GRANDfather. But, it is there. Why not check these very simple things before posting???

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            See Joe? I was right. EVERYONE is lying EXCEPT obama.

          • smrstrauss says:

            I have stated the facts:
            (1) you were allowed to use any word to describe your race that you wanted.
            (2) Kenya existed, and was called Kenya, the Kenya Colony, Kenya for short.
            (3) Kapiolani Hospital existed and was called "Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital"—and there is proof of it.
            (4) Obama's book says that his GRANDfather fought in WWII, not that his father fought in WWII.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            No, you have stated opinion or the opinion of others.
            1) you are not allowed to describe your race anyway you wish. It's called uniformity.
            2) Kenya did not exist. Show documentation from the country that verifies this. Opinon of others is not evidence.
            3) The hospital does exist, now. Not at the time in question. Records and evidence proves this fact.
            4) They have changed the book in an attempt to cover this revelation. Doesn't change the original writings or the intent of the statement.

          • smrstrauss says:

            (1) Who told you that Hawaii required "uniformity?" It didn't. You could call yourself white or Caucasian or Angon-Saxon or Norwegian or Swedish or American (and some did put down "American"), so you could put down "African"—which is the term that African exchange students used.

            (2) Kenya existed as a COLONY. The US Immigration and Naturalization Service report has a listing for the 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961.

            http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962uni

            Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing.

            (3) WND's site shows that Kapiolani Hospital was called "Kapiolani Materinity & Gynecological Hospital" on two birth certificates issued one day after Obama's birth—making it highly unlikely that it was called something else the day before (see the image of the birth certificate of one of the Nordyke Twins on :

            http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105347/

            (4) Obama's book never said that his father, who was born in Kenya (which did exist as a COLONY) fought in WWII. He would have been too young. It said that his American GRANDfather, who was the right age and who in fact did serve under General Patton in WWII, fought in WWII. That has never been changed.

            BTW, to any rational person who may be reading this (not necessarily Seeks_the-truth, of course), the birther claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged stems from the same kind of loony thinking that claims that Obama wrote that his father, not his grandfather, fought in WWII stem from too. When someone's grandfather fought in WWII and someone else, who has not read the book, says that he wrote that his FATHER, not his grandfather, fought in WWII—the person who says it obviously has a motive to make the claim.

            Obama wrote that his GRANDfather fought in WWII, but birthers are likely to say "he wrote that his father fought in WWII" over and over and over again—and so far they have. Well, their motive and their method of constant repetition is exactly the same with their claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            1) YOU did not describe your race in the early 1960's. All you did was name your child.
            So of course, Alvin Onaka (the one actually in charge of the registrations) is lying. EVERYONE EXCEPT obama and his defenders are lying.
            Got it.

            2) In 1772 America existed as a COLONY. It was NOT called the United STATES. It was the United COLONIES. Your 'explanation' is incorrect.
            History shows you're wrong. Typical attempt at revisionism.

            3) So let me get this straight. You want to use a WEBSITE to prove history instead of the ACTUAL history? Again, typical attempt at revisionism.
            How did obama receive a higher number on that fake birth certificate when he was born before the twins? Don't even try to explain. We've all heard the 'mistake' excuse until we're sick.
            So many MISTAKES, LIES and out of the norm entries. Makes one wonder how the system worked at all.

            4) "He would have been too young." Exactly.

            BTW. Those reading this (besides smrstrauss of course) the defender sheeple claim is that EVERYONE EXCEPT obama and his defenders are liars. That obama 'wrote' a book but had NO SAY into what was written. It was OTHERS that made the many 'errors' found.
            They want you to IGNORE history and accept as fact what they claim. In other words, don't believe history, believe them. Even though they've been caught over and over again in massive lies.

            Ignore the evidence. Ignore the facts. Ignore your own intelligence. The truth is what they tell you.

          • Wait. Which one? There are at least three or four "official" birth forms circulating as evidence.

          • smrstrauss says:

            No there isn't. There is a short form and a long form birth certificate, that is all.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            There is that conundrum isn't there.

          • smrstrauss says:

            There is no "conundrum" in having both a short-form birth certificate and a long-form birth certificate.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Not in having A birth certificate. The conundrum is there being a VALID birth certificate which no one has yet to produce.

          • smrstrauss says:

            YOU can claim over and over and over again that Obama's short and long form birth certificates are not valid. But the fact is that they ARE valid, and in fact the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts, repeat ALL the facts, on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as what they sent to him. See citations above.

          • Oh, sure. If you call slipping it past the press corps "validation". They said they saw it on a screen, cameras recorded it, and it was broadcast nation wide. Of course it's valid. If it's on TV, it must be real. Just like if you saw the cover of the book, "To kill a mocking bird", it must be a manual on the proper way to kill mocking birds. Or if you just saw one side of a coin, well naturally, you can assume that's the only face on said coin, right? No need to look further into it. Psh.

          • smrstrauss says:

            They are certainly not document experts. But the point is that Obama did show both the Web images and the physical copies. That is a lot more than George W. Bush did or John McCain did. And it is more than Mitt Romney, who only showed a Web image of a PHOTOCOPY of his short form birth certificate. More important is that Obama's birth certificate has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties who stated that they had sent the short form and long form to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him, and their confirmation is backed up even more by the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Now now Fennec. You know that can't be correct. The one who is the author of the book has no control on what is written in connection to the book.
            While the author may want the title to say "To Kill a Mockingbird", it may very well be changed to "To Catch a Crow".
            We learned this when the book "Dreams of My Father" stated the author "…was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Dreams of My Father" stated the author "…was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

            A publicist said that and admitted to making the mistake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            As stated previously, the WHOLE WORLD BUT obama is lying. ONLY he is telling the truth if anyone is to believe the propaganda.
            I'd take the fall too for a few millions of taxpayers money.Tax free on top of it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The publicist, who is not Obama, was telling the truth when she said that she had made a mistake.

            The birth certificate of Hawaii is telling the truth; Obama really was born there, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are telling the truth; they really did sent the birth certificate to Obama and all the facts on the copy that the White House posted are exactly the same as what they sent him. And the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 are telling the truth too. Obama really was born in Hawaii.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            For millions of dollars I'd claim I had made a mistake too.

            The fraudulent birth certificate does tell the truth that it's a fake. It is an extremely bad fake too.
            Only the gullible and easily swayed ignore facts. That would be you wouldn't it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            YOU would lie for a million dollars. But that does not show that the publicist would or that she was lying. In any case, Obama certainly was not born in Kenya. That is a truly nutty story. So it was a MISTAKE.

            Re: "The fraudulent birth certificate does tell the truth that it's a fake. It is an extremely bad fake too. "

            Answer: That is what you and birther "experts" keep on claiming. But birthers have lied many times in the past, and the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are the same as on what they sent him.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Obviously, the lit agent lied for millions. That's the only reason to take the fall for printing the facts.

            The evidence shows that the birth certificate presented to be that of barack obama is a fake. It is a fabricated document.
            You're just upset you're so gullible as to accept the lies.

          • smrstrauss says:

            She admitted making a mistake. They were not the facts. Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii.

            Birthers keep on saying that Obama's birth certificate is "a fake." But that does not prove it.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            For enough money, anyone would lie.
            Doesn't change the facts that the birth certificate is fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            YOU would lie for money. But that does not mean that she would. She admitted making A MISTAKE. And it was a mistake. Obama was not born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate and the confirmations and the Index Data and the birth notices all show.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So you claim. But this 'mistake' went on for years without anyone noticing, not even the author.
            Obviously, the lit agent accepted money to lie.
            No, it wasn't a mistake as shown by obama not having a valid birth certificate.
            You just don't want to admit the evidence proves the birth certificate is fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Yes mistakes often go on for years without anyone fixing them. The publicist made the mistake and did not tell Obama about it, so how could he fix it?

            Obama's birth certificate is perfectly valid. Birthers simply lie and claim that it isn't. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. The CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona checked this out. He was asked to keep Obama's name off of the ballot by people in Arizona who believed the claims of Sheriff Joe. He asked Hawaii to confirm. The officials in Hawaii confirmed that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and all the facts were correct. He believed Hawaii, not Sheriff Joe.

            Birthers have lied many many times, and they are lying about the birth certificate being "fake."

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Mistakes go on for years? Yep. We see that right now in the White House.
            An unqualified, ineligible liar and coward has been usurping the White House for almost 5 years now.
            The evidence proves the birth certificate for barrack obama is fake.
            You can't deny the evidence so you go after those who present the evidence.
            You do all this with talking points and suggestions from those pushing this lie.
            Evidence does not lie and it says the birth certificate purported to be that of barrack obama is fake. No matter how hard you try to deny the truth.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama is not "usurping." He really is a Natural Born Citizen, having been born in Hawaii (and every child born on US soil is a Natural Born Citizen), and he was elected fair and square in 2008 and 2012—and confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress (including the votes of Reps Michelle Bachmann and Ron Paul).

            Obama has shown both the short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii. They both are valid.

            Birther sites simply claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged and call that "evidence." They are lying in that claim as they did in the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She said that he was born in Hawaii, but birther sites cut off the tape recording just before she said "…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.)

            So to say that there is "Evidence" that Obama's birth certificate was forged is just another LIE. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are the same as on what they sent him. The fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is also confirmed by the public index data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            And birther sites have not shown their readers the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—I wonder why they do not do that??

            And birther sites have never discussed the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research—I wonder why they do not do that too?

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So you suggest that even though people know obama is a liar, a coward and a thief they are to ignore it?
            That even though people know through the evidence and facts that obama has never presented a valid birth certificate, they are to ignore it?
            Only willfully ignorant people like you will.

          • smrstrauss says:

            You have the absolute right to call your congressman and senators and ask them to impeach, and they have the right to ignore you. And if you make your request based on the nutty story that Obama's birth certificate is forged—in turn based on the claims of a loony, biased sheriff—they are likely to laugh at you. But go right ahead; that is your right.

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

            For Obama to have been born anywhere else than Hawaii: (1) his mother would have had to have made an extremely rare and dangerous trip late in pregnancy; (2) the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) plus the Index Data and the birth notices would all have to be lying. So, since Obama really was born in Hawaii—why should he forge his birth certificate? Birther “experts” saying “there is evidence” it is forged is simply another of their lies. Birther sites not showing the real experts who say Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged confirms their bias. Saying “there is evidence the sun raises in the West” does NOT make it raise in the West.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            They COULD ignore, but they DIDN'T.

            I take it you are unaware that there is a bill right now in Congress to impeach obama for High Crimes and misdemeanor.
            Just wait for November.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You must be deleting your comments after realizing how crazy they are.
            Either that or the site's BS meter has deleted them.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Rational people will notice that the above does not respond to the facts.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So what does that have to do with your propaganda?
            What does your repeating of talking points have to do with the fact that the birth certificate presented as that of barack obama is a fake?
            A very BAD fake at that.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Again, still doesn't change the fact that the birth certificate is fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            It's not a fake. You and other birthers just claim that it is over and over and over and over.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The evidence proves it is. You just want to ignore the fact because to admit the truth would be to admit you've been had.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's birth certificate is perfectly valid. Birthers simply lie and claim that it isn't. And that includes Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse.

            The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. The CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona checked this out. He was asked to keep Obama's name off of the ballot by people in Arizona who believed the claims of Sheriff Joe. He asked Hawaii to confirm. The officials in Hawaii confirmed that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and all the facts were correct. He believed Hawaii, not Sheriff Joe.

            Birthers have lied many many times, and they are lying about the birth certificate being "fake."

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            But of course obama has a valid birth certificate. SOMEWHERE.
            The point is America has YET to see it.
            The one posted on WH.gov is fake.

            It must hurt to be so gullible to his lies.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Yes, in addition to having been born in Hawaii, since it would have been extremely rare for his mother to have traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirth. And, in addition to the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961, and in addition to the confirmation by the officials of BOTH parties, and in addition to the teacher who wrote home, to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley, Obama has a valid Hawaii birth certificate—which he has shown the short-form copy of and the long-form and which the officials of BOTH parties said that they sent to him.

            Here are images of the long form and short-form birth certificate:

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/preside….

            And: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

            Only nutty birthers and a biased sheriff have claimed that there is anything wrong with either of them.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Birther sites simply claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged, and call that "evidence." They are lying in that claim as they did in the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She said that he was born in Hawaii, but birther sites cut off the tape recording just before she said "…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.)

            So to say that there is "Evidence" that Obama's birth certificate was forged is just another LIE. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are the same as on what they sent him. The fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is also confirmed by the public index data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            And birther sites have not shown their readers the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—I wonder why they do not do that??

            And birther sites have never discussed the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research—I wonder why they do not do that too?

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The Maricopa County Law Enforcement agency's investigation has provided solid evidence that the birth certificate for barrack obama is fraudulent.

            The only ones making a claim are those defending this fraudulent document.
            Opinions and theories do not trump solid evidence no matter how much they wish it to.

            The xerox 'theory' has been addressed and debunked. Update your talking points.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Who, pray tell, has "debunked" the Xerox research?

            Here it is again for rational people to consider and make up their own minds:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            Please show where and how it was "debunked," or else everyone will know that it is just another lying claim that "there is evidence," "there is evidence," "there is evidence"—-when just claiming "you see, it is forged" is not evidence.

            Re: "The Maricopa County Law Enforcement agency's investigation has provided solid evidence…."

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Instead of just copy and pasting propaganda, do try to stay up with current events.

            Just like you are unaware there is a bill in Congress to impeach obama for High Crimes and Misdemeanor.

            That's what happens when you get stuck trying to defend the indefensible.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Can't even say it's a 'perfect' fake.
            The birth certificate for obama was such a BAD fake, that it was seen through in less than 5 minutes.

            The evidence proves it's fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Part of their lie is that birthers claim it is a "bad fake." But it isn't a fake at all.

            Obama has shown both the short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii. They both are valid.

            Birther sites simply claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged and call that "evidence." They are lying in that claim as they did in the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She said that he was born in Hawaii, but birther sites cut off the tape recording just before she said "…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.)

            So to say that there is "Evidence" that Obama's birth certificate was forged is just another LIE. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are the same as on what they sent him. The fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is also confirmed by the public index data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            And birther sites have not shown their readers the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—I wonder why they do not do that??

            And birther sites have never discussed the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research—I wonder why they do not do that too?

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            That's what the evidence showed.
            Just because you refuse to accept the facts and evidence, does not negate the fact that the birth certificate is indeed fake.

            You are also behind times. The xerox 'theory' has already been dispelled.
            Update your talking point.
            Thought I'd let you in before you keep posting that outdated talking point.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Who, pray tell, has "debunked" the Xerox research?

            Here it is again for rational people to consider and make up their own minds:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            Please show where and how it was "debunked," or else everyone will know that it is just another lying claim that "there is evidence," "there is evidence," "there is evidence"—-when just claiming "you see, it is forged" is not evidence.

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I'm not claiming anything.
            A Law Enforcement office, along with most of the professionals in their positions, have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that the document purported to be that of barack obama posted on WH.gov is fraudulent.
            That other purported documents are also fake.

            So again. You do NOT have a link to a valid birth certificate or documentation for barack obama.
            Just admit it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            A biased law enforcement officer has CLAIMED that Obama's birth certificate is forged.
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            So have some other birther "experts"—what else is new?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Delighted to show two links to perfectly valid Obama birth certificates:

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/preside….

            And: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

            The fact that YOU and Sheriff Joe and other "birther experts" CLAIM that they are forged does not make them so.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Your ignorance now makes sense. You don't understand simple law enforcement procedures.
            Any knowledge you might have is gained from the media.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Law enforcement officials have been known to be wrong, and they have been known to have political agendas, and they have been known to LIE, and that is what Sheriff Joe is doing.
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Law Enforcement has been known to be wrong. Maricopa Country Sheriff hasn't been. The professionals who have hard evidence hasn't.
            Obama and his people HAVE been shown to be liars and thiefs.

            You have no links to a valid birth certificate. You only follow what you're told.
            I understand. You have no independent thinking.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Sheriff Joe, like other birthers, is lying. The articles cited above show it.

            Here are more classic birther lies:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC—when there weren't ANY???

            (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Of course, EVERYONE ELSE and the evidence is lying. Even your own eyes are lying when the facts show it's fake.
            ONLY obama and his helpers are telling the truth.
            Got it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's birth certificate is perfectly valid. Birthers simply lie and claim that it isn't. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. The CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona checked this out. He was asked to keep Obama's name off of the ballot by people in Arizona who believed the claims of Sheriff Joe. He asked Hawaii to confirm. The officials in Hawaii confirmed that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and all the facts were correct. He believed Hawaii, not Sheriff Joe.

            Birthers have lied many many times, and they are lying about the birth certificate being "fake."

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Evidence doesn't lie.
            The evidence shows beyond a doubt the birth certificate posted on WH.gov is a fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Actually, there isn't any evidence at all. There are simply birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is fake. But the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the short form and the long form to Obama, and that all the facts are correct. And the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

            You and other birthers claiming that Obama's birth certificate is a fake does not make it a fake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            It's not even a 'perfectly' fake document.
            It was quite easy to see how fraudulent the birth certificate is.
            The EVIDENCE proves this.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Part of their big lie is that birthers claim that it is a bad fake. But it isn't a fake at all.

            Obama has shown both the short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii. They both are valid.

            Birther sites simply claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged and call that "evidence." They are lying in that claim as they did in the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She said that he was born in Hawaii, but birther sites cut off the tape recording just before she said "…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.)

            So to say that there is "Evidence" that Obama's birth certificate was forged is just another LIE. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are the same as on what they sent him. The fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is also confirmed by the public index data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            And birther sites have not shown their readers the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—I wonder why they do not do that??

            And birther sites have never discussed the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research—I wonder why they do not do that too?

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            It is no 'claim' as the defenders do.
            The evidence shows that the birth certificate is not only a fake, but an extremely BAD fake.

            The xerox 'theory' has been dispelled. Update your talking points.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Who, pray tell, has "debunked" the Xerox research?

            Here it is again for rational people to consider and make up their own minds:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            Please show where and how it was "debunked," or else everyone will know that it is just another lying claim that "there is evidence," "there is evidence," "there is evidence"—-when just claiming "you see, it is forged" is not evidence.

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Instead of just copy and pasting propaganda, do try to stay up with current events.

            Just like you are unaware there is a bill in Congress to impeach obama for High Crimes and Misdemeanor.

            That's what happens when you get stuck trying to defend the indefensible.

          • smrstrauss says:

            There are 535 members of Congress and any one of them can introduce a bill. (Impeachment is not done by passing bills, BTW). But there have been NO hearings on the subject.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Yes, there are 535 members of Congress, of which many have a bill to impeach obama.
            Are you trying to deny that there is a bill to impeach?

            Impeachment STARTS as a charge in the House. It is in the SENATE the verdict is rendered.
            Now that we have the technicalities out there.
            As soon as the GOP takes over the Senate in November, the bill will be brought up.

            Of course there hasn't been any hearings. The Senate is controlled by Democrats, at the moment.
            Why do you think you're running scared?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: " which many have.."

            How many?

            Re: "Impeachment STARTS as a charge in the House."

            That's right, a charge—not a bill.

            I'm not running scared. To convict in an impeachment trial, there has to be a vote of TWO-THIRDS of the US Senate.

            And there haven't even been hearings on the subject of impeachment in the House, which is controlled by REPUBLICANS.

            BTW, even the impeachment bill that you refer to in the House has nothing to do with Obama's birth certificate or his place of birth.
            http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-impeachment-bill

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "How many?"

            Why?

            "That's right, a charge—not a bill."

            Obviously, you haven't the knowledge of how Congress works.
            Once you learn this, maybe you can understand the rest.
            Do you suggest a Congressperson just stands up and charges?
            Interesting you don't understand this basic act.

            Yes, you are running scared. You know in November when the GOP takes over the Senate the game is up.

            The rest of your statement just contradicts what you have already said and proves my point.

            As you claim "That's right, a charge—not a bill." and then "BTW, even the impeachment bill that you refer to in the House…"

            Your ignorance is glaringly obvious.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Notice that the above comments do NOT in respond to a single fact.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            If you ever post a fact, I can respond.
            I do not respond to opinions and conspiracy theories.

          • smrstrauss says:

            People realize that the above is just an EXCUSE for not replying to the facts.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            People have been telling you many times that all you have posted is opinion and speculation.
            As soon as you supply facts, people including myself can reply.
            Until then people realize you are an obama defender ignoring the evidence to support a proven fraudulent document.

          • smrstrauss says:

            People can decide for themselves whether I posted the facts or whether the birther claims are valid. I have cited the facts and links to articles that confirm them.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            As many have told you repeatedly, you have not posted facts. What you have posted are OPINIONS and speculation.

            Even the links you provide go to OPINION sites and speculation.

          • "A biased law enforcement officer has CLAIMED that Obama's birth certificate is forged."
            A man in a position like that can't afford to make a claim he couldn't back up. Don't you think he'd be in jail by now for making that up? Or are you not familiar with what perjury is? The experts that attest that Obama's birth certificate is a fake would also be committing perjury when testifying under oath in the court of law. This whole investigation would have gone away just as quickly as it had started, if they had only a claim to go by. Seriously, they'd be doing jail time right now. I don't care what your version of the law says, they'd be done well before 2010. Law officials making such claims aren't simply ignored. They lose their badge. Although, a suffering insomniac couldn't comprehend this sort of thing. But, I thought I'd try a dose of reality on you and see what happened. Probably going to go in one ear and out the other, as per the usual.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Sheriff Joe is an ELECTED official, and he gets a lot of money from the extreme right, including birthers. He can afford to make a claim that he cannot back up because they WANT him TO do so. But, he is lying now as he has many times before.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

          • Nope. I'm not buying it. I can't accept that article as proof. It's just as biased as you are. That's an appeal to false authority. Can you show me one link that debunks these claims (as you call them) without using mean-spirited vitriol? Why, you even use the same wording as the article which tells me you don't have your own opinion. I can effectively call you a drone. A drone that admitted to suffering from insomnia, no less. That means your judgement is impaired, you're easily irritated, you can't concentrate (explains all the copy-pasta) and you have memory problems (which would explain why you rely so heavily on outdated biased material). It also explains your obsession over this issue. I have noticed you don't comment on articles about Obama pulling some illegal stunts, but when you see an article that even hints at the eligibility issue, you're all over it like flies on crap. Why, this issue over Fuddy's death isn't even conclusive and you're going on the attack just because people suspect, SUSPECT, foul play. Heel, girl. Down, down. Where's the fire?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Fortunately, I do not post for you. I post the facts for rational people. Rational people will notice that what Fennec says above does not respond to a single fact.

            The notion that Obama could have been born in a foreign country remains nutty.

            For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            'Rational' people will notice when pressed for evidence to back their false assertions, smrstrauss refuses.
            They will then notice smrstrauss continues with the same false accusations they refuse to back with evidence.

            smrstrauss does this because they know they have none. They are gullible and to admit they have no proof would be to show they are not capable of independent thought.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Rational people will have to decide for themselves whether I showed the facts or Seeks_the_truth is correct in claiming that I did not provide evidence.

            However, just in case you missed it, here are links to the evidence AGAIN:

            Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Just more opinions and conspiracy theories. NO hard evidence to refute the solid evidence the proves beyond doubt the birth certificate posted as that of obama is a fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            There is no "solid evidence." In fact, there is no evidence at all. There are only birther claims, over and over and over, that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Just because YOU refuse to accept the evidence, does not change the fact they prove the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama is a fake.

            Your opinions and conspiracy theories do not trump evidence.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The CLAIMS of Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse are not evidence. If they really had evidence, they would have brought it to a district attorney and started prosecution.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            As you have been asked repeatedly, post the link where Sheriff Joe makes a CLAIM.
            All press conferences I've seen him speak about the fraudulent birth certificate he is reporting on a Law Enforcement investigation in which evidence PROVES it to be a fake.

            It is in the court system now.

            Feel free to name one person held accountable for all the unconstitutional actions taken by this 'administration'. Be it the Benghazi scandal, IRS, NSA, AP/Rosen scandal, Fast and Furious, Solyndra or the many others.

          • smrstrauss says:

            You say "proves" but that is just your claim. Sheriff Joe has been PROVEN to have lied in the past:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-

            And rational conservatives do not believe Sheriff Joe, Zullo, or the Cold Case Posse:
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            (IF Sheriff Joe really had real evidence, as he CLAIMS that he has, then he would have been able to convince a district attorney of that fact and bring criminal charges—but he hasn't. And he hasn't convinced anyone in Congress either, despite numerous tries.)

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The investigation done by the Maricopa Cold Case Posse PROVES the birth certificate is fake.
            You keep trying to argue against the facts but keep losing. http://www.mcsoccp.org/joomla/

            Rational Conservatives DO believe Sheriff Joe and the results of his CCP investigation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YOiw4nO0vI

            2012 Constitution Party presidential nominee Virgil Goode and Alabama Republican Party leader Hugh McInnish know the birth certificate is fake.
            Sheriff Mack agrees with the evidence from the investigation done by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Department that shows the BC is fake.
            How about the long list of Congresspeople who agree the birth certificate is fake.
            They are working at this time how to proceed.
            You just hope people ignore the facts and evidence as you have.
            I'm more inclined to believe you just don't UNDERSTAND the evidence.
            How about the suit in the Alabama court system. Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, who is presiding, is on record as questioning obama’s constitutional eligibility to serve as president. http://www.wnd.com/2010/09/199001/

            It was Hillary Clinton that brought obama's ineligibility to light to start with.

            IF you knew anything about criminal charges, you wouldn't be making such a stupid statement.
            Obviously, your problem is a lack of intelligence.

            Feel free to live in your dream world where no one of importance believes the evidence that the birth certificate is in fact a fake. An EXTREMELY BAD fake at that.
            I'll stay right here in the real world.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Rational people will see that all smrstrauss posts is opinions and conspiracy theories.
            When pressed for evidence they resort back to the 'rational people' retort.

            How gullible and sad of a person smrstrauss is for refusing to accept the facts.

            Still waiting on the evidence requested.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Glad you mentioned evidence:

            Here is a link to most of the documents that confirm that the state of Hawaii sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are correct:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            That shows the short-form official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth in detail. It also shows several confirmations that you should check including two that say that the facts on the published BC MATCH the facts on the ones sent to him.

            Here is the long form birth certificate in the photographs taken by the NBC reporter Savannah Guterie, and which she stated she had felt the seal on:
            http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&amp

            Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
            http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

            Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and
            that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.

            And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

            Here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            THIS is evidence: http://www.mcsoccp.org/joomla/

            What you posted was theories, opinions and hypotheses.

            Under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8, a person only has to be an established resident of Hawaii, not necessarily a U.S. citizen, and pay taxes there for one year to be able to register an out-of-state or foreign-born person with an official Hawaii birth certificate. http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105371/

            Since you did not have to be a US citizen to obtain a Hawaiian birth certificate, the notice in the newspaper means nothing.
            Even Verna K. Lee, the local registrar who signed Obama’s birth certificate, said there were problems with not only the registration number but also the entries on the form. http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/arpaio-investigator-ha

            If the ONLY birth certificate that Hawaii issues is the short form, how did the Nordyke twins, and MANY others, receive the LONG FORM birth certificate? http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105371/

            What about the article in the Washington Times titled: Hawaii State Registrar does not verify authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborho
            I'm sure you want others to believe Onaka is a liar, right?
            Even Neil Ambercrombie did an about face.
            What about the Hawaiian official Tim Adams that signed an affidavit stating there was no birth certificate on file for obama. http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/254401/

            I'm sure if he was a 'liar' (as all who don't accept the fake document are called) Mr. Adams would be brought up on CRIMINAL CHARGES for filing a false affidavit with the courts.

            So much evidence, so little room.

          • "Rational people will have to decide for themselves whether I showed the facts or Seeks_the_truth is correct in claiming that I did not provide evidence."

            That's not what you believe. You believe that "rational" people HAVE to believe what you say. You believe that by invoking them, they'll automatically side with you.You like to steer arguments by appealing to a third party. I bet you don't even know what it means to rationalize. So, when you say you post here for "rational" people, I call BS. Just start your own blog and opinion forum. Oh, but you admitted to me earlier, you don't care about providing information to "rational" people. You said you did it because, in essence, you're bored. So, not only did you lie (which makes your links unreliable), but you don't care about "rational" people. Don't you think they'd be insulted by that? Although, insulting people seems to be your forte'.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re "bored." Neither my motive for posting nor your motive for posting changes the facts. I show the facts and let people decide for themselves.

            I will grant you that I believe that any rational person must agree that the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii and nowhere else has been established OVERWHELMINGLY. In fact, neither you nor anyone else has answered these facts:

            For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Rational people have repeatedly told you your opinions and conspiracy theories are flawed and useless but yet you continue to post your propaganda.
            That's not only on this site, but many others as well.

            You seem to state that if you don't believe the facts then others can't.

            I tried to use my newspaper birth notice in the DMV today. I was told this is not a legal document and can not be used as evidence.
            Please list the places that a newspaper notice is legal identification.

            The gullible one is you. In fact, you're too ignorant to even realize this.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Please list the places that a newspaper notice is legal identification. "

            The birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers could ONLY have been sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. Please list any reason why the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 should lie about Obama's place of birth.

            It is true that a notice in the newspapers is not by itself evidence. But it is good confirming evidence to (1) the long form and short form BCs themselves; (2) the repeated confirmation by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) that they had sent the BCs to Obama and that all the facts on the copy the White House put online were exactly the same as on what they sent to him; (3) the public Index Data file: (4) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (5) the fact that EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad in the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths; (6) WND's proof with a FOI Act request that Obama's father stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961, so for Obama's mother to have traveled she would have had to have traveled alone; (7) this:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "The birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers could ONLY have been sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961."

            Incorrect. While the Honolulu Star-Bulletin might NOW reprint from the DOH, there were NO policies or procedures in place in 1961 on how notices were placed.
            In fact, not ONE NEIGHBOR remembers the family living at the address listed as well as a White woman having a Black baby which was HIGHLY unusual for the time. In other words, barry would have stuck out like a 'sore thumb'.

            Affidavit confirming Dunham nor obama lived at the address listed in the notice: http://www.wnd.com/files/baro.pdf

            On top of this, in 1961, Hawaiian
            law specifically allows “an adult or the legal parents of a minor child” to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch
            The only requirement for proof
            cited in the law doesn’t address the birth of the child either, just
            “that the legal parents of such individual while living without
            Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of
            Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
            preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”

            The newspaper’s “proof” of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued “Certification of Live Birth” which is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.

            Here's an article that not only debunks the newspaper notice but the birth certificate too. http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/104678/

            I know you wish for people to ignore the facts and evidence and believe EVERYONE BUT obama is lying, but we've already seen who the liar is.

            You also want to opine that NO WOMAN EVER flew while pregnant.
            Yea, right.

            The facts and evidence tells the truth. You just don't like the facts is all.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "There were NO policies or procedures in place in 1961 on how notices were placed. "

            Answer: That is a lie. The procedures were that the Health Bureau, as the DOH was known at the time, and ONLY the Health Bureau could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the newspapers.

            Re: "not ONE NEIGHBOR remembers the family living at the address listed…"

            It was the address of Obama's grandparents. You know that when young people are asked to list their address and have not yet picked a house or apartment, they list the addresses of their parents, don't you—and that, BTW, is perfectly legal.

            No one has debunked the birth certificate or the birth notices in the Hawaii newspaper. The WND article certainly doesn't do either. And, BTW, Joseph Farrah, the head of WND is now saying: "I never said that Obama was not born in Hawaii."

            See the comment of the guy with the mustache in this:
            http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/obama-pre

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Answer: That is a lie."
            Ah, so now it's the Honolulu Star-Bulletin's website that is the liar. http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/104678/
            Why not cut to the chase and make the claim that EVERYONE BUT obama defender obots are liars. So far that's all you've done in the face of indisputable evidence.

            "It was the address of Obama's grandparents."
            So now you at least admit that the address posted in the notice is WRONG. Stanley Dunham did not live at that address and should not have used it, especially since NO NEIGHBOR ever remembered seeing her or the baby there. http://www.wnd.com/files/baro.pdf

            A young MARRIED COUPLE with a NEWBORN should be in their own home. Why didn't she use the address of her HUSBAND?

            Many have shown the birth certificate purported to be that of barrack obama is indeed a fake. You just choose not to accept the facts.

            "Joseph Farrah, the head of WND is now saying: "I never said that Obama was not born in Hawaii."
            Just as many others including myself have said.
            No one knows WHERE obama was born. He very well could have been born in Hawaii.
            We haven't seen a VALID birth certificate verifying where he was born.
            The one presented as obama's birth certificate is without doubt fake. A very BAD fake at that.

            Listen to Breitbart just before he untimely 'died'. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/02

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's birth certificate is neither a fake nor a "very bad fake." Birthers just claim that it is.

            Re: "Ah, so now it's the Honolulu Star-Bulletin's website that is the liar. "

            Answer. No, it is the WND article that is lying. the Honolulu Star-Bulletin never said that birth notices in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section could be posted by anyone other than the Health Bureau—which was what the DOH of Hawaii was known as in those days.

            And, duh, the fact that the young couple gave the address of Obama's grandparents does not mean that they did not have a child. In fact, they had to have a child in order to give information that would be put into the birth notice (and as noted, ONLY the DOH could post that notice).

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Answer. No, it is the WND article that is lying."
            The WND article reported what they were told by the Honolulu Star-Bulletin.
            So again, it is the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that is the LIAR.
            Got it.

            According to the law in Hawaii, ANYONE who claimed to have lived on the island for one year previous could record ANY person/child and receive a birth certificate.

            So DUH, the notice in the paper was a LIE. It printed FALSE information.

            You don't have to be born in Hawaii to receive a birth certificate OR have a notice printed in the paper. The notice does not require factual information either.

            According to Reed Hayes, the birth certificate posted on WH.gov is a fake. A BAD forgery at that!
            No claim, evidence.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You seem to misunderstand. I'm not the one who is making a 'claim'. You are.
            A Law Enforcement Agency has done a complete investigation and has solid evidence that the birth certificate posted on WH.gov is fraudulent.

            Now, do you have a link to a valid birth certificate or not? Obviously not.

          • smrstrauss says:

            I have provided links to Obama's short form and long form birth certificates. Both are valid. The fact that a nutty sheriff LIES and claims that they are not valid does not change that fact.
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indicting-

            The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) have stated that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent him. The fact that a birth certificate was issued for Obama in Hawaii in 1961 is also shown by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births in Hawaii).

            Sheriff Joe's LIES do not change these facts. Obama's short form and long birth certificates are valid.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The links you provide point to a birth certificate that has been shown to be fraudulent.
            Just because you have an issue with Authority figures doesn't change their evidence.

            IF you have one, post a link to a VALID birth certificate, or legal documentation, for barack obama.
            As you been told many times, but refuse to accept, the one at WH.gov has been shown to be fake.
            Since you continue with the same rhetoric, I'll assume you have none.

          • smrstrauss says:

            You say that the links have been "shown to be fraudulent.
            But they haven't.

            I have provided two links to Obama's valid birth certificate. There has been no proof whatever that it is not valid. The claims of a nutty sheriff or of birther "experts" do not show that it forged.

            Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii and the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I know it's easier for you to accept the lies than the facts but you should learn to think for yourself.
            You have yet to post a link to a valid birth certificate for barack obama.
            Obviously, you don't have one.

          • smrstrauss says:

            It is you who have accepted the birther lies including the Iie that Obama's birth certificate is forged. It wasn't forged. It is a valid birth certificate.

            Here are more classic birther lies:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC—when there weren't ANY???

            (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So again, what does this propaganda have to do with the fact that the birth certificate posted on WH.gov is a fake?

            Do you believe that since you fell for the lies others will too?

          • smrstrauss says:

            The many lies of birthers shows that they are lying about their claim that Obama's birth certificate was forged too.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            But of course. The EVERYONE ELSE is lying BUT obama and his helpers.
            Got it.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So again, it's the PEOPLE that are lying.
            Sorry to inform you but evidence can not lie and they show the birth certificate presented as that of barack obama is a fake.

            Sorry to see you're so gullible.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The officials in Hawaii are PEOPLE, and they say that they sent the birth certificate to Obama (four of them), and they are not lying. The DOH birth notices and Index Data were prepared by people in Hawaii, and they are not lying. The teacher who wrote home, to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley, is a person, and she was not lying.

            Birthers lie:

            Here are some classic birther lies:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC—when there weren't ANY???

            (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So it's the FEW people that are "telling the truth" and it's the EVIDENCE that is lying?
            That doesn't make sense.
            EVIDENCE can't lie. It only tells facts. You can only follow facts to the truth.

            The rest of your rant is nothing but propaganda.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's birth certificate is perfectly valid. Birthers simply lie and claim that it isn't. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him. The CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona checked this out. He was asked to keep Obama's name off of the ballot by people in Arizona who believed the claims of Sheriff Joe. He asked Hawaii to confirm. The officials in Hawaii confirmed that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and all the facts were correct. He believed Hawaii, not Sheriff Joe.

            Birthers have lied many many times, and they are lying about the birth certificate being "fake."

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Evidence doesn't lie.
            The evidence shows beyond a doubt the birth certificate posted on WH.gov to be that of obama is fake.
            So far, only obama has been caught in many lies.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Actually, there isn't any evidence at all. There are simply birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is fake. But the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the short form and the long form to Obama, and that all the facts are correct. And the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi….

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04….

            You and other birthers claiming that Obama's birth certificate is a fake does not make it a fake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            It's not even 'perfectly' faked.
            The evidence proves the birth certificate for barack obama is without a doubt a fake.

            So is all other documentation fraudulent.
            Can't even call it a 'perfect' fake. How sad.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Claiming that it is "not even 'perfectly' faked" does not make it faked at all. Claiming that there is "evidence," does not mean that there really is evidence.

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The evidence proves the birth certificate posted as that of barrack obama is a fake.

            Opinion does not trump evidence.
            Of course, can't debunk the evidence, slander the presenter.
            Nothing new.
            EVERYONE is lying EXCEPT obama and his defenders.
            Typical.

            Do try to keep up with current events.
            Obviously you are unaware there is a bill in Congress to impeach obama.
            How sad.

            How gullible you are.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Again, you misunderstand.
            Is it you don't have links to post or misunderstand what the word 'valid' means?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Valid means the real birth certificate of Hawaii really sent to him by Hawaii. And that is what happened with Obama, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed this, and so does the Index Data and the birth notices. And back before the election of 2012, Ken Bennett, the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona was asked by constituents to check out whether Sheriff Joe was right that the birth certificate was forged or whether Hawaii had really issued it to him. Bennett asked the officials in Hawaii to confirm the birth certificate. They did. They stated that all the facts were the same (previously they had said repeatedly that they sent it to Obama). Bennett accepted Hawaii, not Sheriff Joe.

            NOT a single member of congress is calling for an investigation of Obama's birth certificate, despite Sheriff Joe and his team having visited Congress and sent letters and kits. That is because to think that Obama was born somewhere else than Hawaii, when there isn't even evidence that his mother had a passport and when travel by women late in pregnancy was EXTREMELY rare, is completely nutty.

            Obama's birth certificate was sent to him by Hawaii and fits the definition of VALID.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So you don't understand. Got it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            I understand the meaning of valid, and Obama's birth certificate fits it. It really was sent to him by the DOH of Hawaii, as the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed over and over.

            Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii and the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You obviously don't understand the meaning of the word 'valid'. You keep trying to post a link to a birth certificate that has been proven to be a fake.

            Didn't obama claim you can keep your health care insurance? Guess you're just very gullible to his lies. Sorry to hear that.

          • smrstrauss says:

            It hasn't been proven to be fake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You need a new news source if you don't know that the birth certificate posted on WH.gov is fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            It's not a fake.

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

            One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

            Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

            And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

            Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

            Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

            John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

            Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

            Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

            Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

            And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

            Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So you claim. The evidence shows differently.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Glad you mentioned evidence:

            Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

            Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

            Hawaii is THOUSANDS of miles away from the nearest foreign country and that women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days. Oh, and by the way, Kaiploani Hospital is confirming that Obama was born there (want to see the two citations of that?) and Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii and she said in another interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

          • smrstrauss says:

            And here is the statement by the Kenyan government that Obama was not born there:

            “Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

            “It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
            http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            What does any of the propaganda you posted have to do with the evidence that shows the birth certificate for barrack obama is a fake?

            All you posted are OPINIONS. Opinions do not negate EVIDENCE.
            Where is your evidence admissable in a court of law?
            Hard, solid evidence.
            All evidence, admissable in a court of law, shows without a doubt the birth certificate posted as that for barrack obama is a fake.

            Heresay is not admissable.

            The evidence shows it's fake. That's what you are so scared of. To admit the truth proves how gullible you are.

          • smrstrauss says:

            There is NO evidence. There are only birther claims that there is evidence. Birther sites did not show their readers all the real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged. Nor did they explain the research of the Xerox WorkCentre
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            The written statements by the officials of Hawaii that they sent the birth certificate to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are not opinions and not heresay.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Denial of evidence does not negate them.
            Solid evidence proves beyond a doubt the birth certificate purported to be that of obama is indeed a fake.

            Opinions and hearsay do not trump evidence. No matter how hard you wish.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Saying that there is evidence and that it is "solid" does not mean that there is any evidence at all. There isn't any. There are only the repeated claims of a nutty sheriff and highly partisan alleged "document" experts.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So now you're trying to DENY that there was an investigation that created evidence?

            You are quite confused. You really need to make up your mind.
            Was there, or was there not, an investigation?

            See what happens when you live in propaganda?
            Not only do you show how gullible you are, you are obviously confused.

            Let me get this straight. In your mind, when Reed Hayes defended obama he was non-partisan expert.
            Now that he had examined the document and states it IS without a doubt a fake, a bad one at that, he's a 'highly partisan nutcase'?

            You need to join reality.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The CLAIMS of a biased sheriff that he launched an investigation do not show that there really was an investigation or that the results of that claimed investigation are true.

            Re: "Reed Hayes defended obama…"

            Reed Hayes never defended Obama. He testified as a PAID expert witness for the law firm that represents Obama and hundreds of other clients on the subject of written document, not a digital Web image. In that trial he may have told the truth, or not, but the trial had nothing to do with Obama or for that matter any politician or political issue.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Yet again, when you can't fight the evidence, slander the messenger.

            It is the evidence that shows the birth certificate is fraudulent. Not an opinion as you seem to believe.

            Reed Hayes did work on the defense team for obama.
            So yet again, he is a well qualified Forensic Document Examiner when he is on obama's team but not when he examines, then provides evidence, the birth certificate is fake.
            So he is honest when he is on team obama but he's a liar when he makes the statement 'in his opinion, the document is a fake. A woefully bad fake'.

            Your bias is very clear.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Reed Hayes did work on the defense team for obama."

            Answer: No he didn't. He did not work for Obama at all. He worked for the same law firm that Obama hired, on a case that had nothing whatever to do with Obama.

            So, this is just another example of birther lies.

            Reed Hayes is a document expert in physical documents, but birther sites never told their readers that, and let them think that Reed Hayes was qualified to talk about the digital image of Obama's birth certificate, and birther sites did not show their readers all the real experts who said that Obama's birth certificate was not forged, nor did they discuss this.
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Re: "Reed Hayes did work on the defense team for obama."

            Answer: No he didn't."

            Again, shows your ignorance.
            Mr. Hayes was hired by the law firm representing obama in defending his fake birth certificate. This makes Mr. Reed to be EMPLOYED by the obama team to DEFEND him.

            "Reed Hayes is a document expert in physical documents,.."
            I suggest you acquaint yourself with his qualifications before you appear more ignorant than you already have. http://reedwrite.com/

            As for the 'experts' that claim it's valid, do you mean Jean Claude Tremblay who says he NEVER validated the birth certificate? http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/

            Keep denying. Won't change the fact that the LFBC presented as that for barrack obama is a fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Actually, NO. That is not true.

            Reed Hayes was employed by the same firm that Obama uses in ANOTHER CASE about another person—not about Obama at all.

            Tremblay was one of six experts that confirmed Obama's birth certificate, and WND is lying about him. What he said was that there was NO evidence that the birth certificate was forged,

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You are extremely ignorant.
            Reed Hayes has been employed by Perkins-Coie legal team who was hired to defend obama against his fake birth certificate.

            Argue all you wish, the facts show the truth.

            As Tremblay himself stated “First, I never thought that what I saw in the Birth Certificate PDF was a proof of its authenticity,” he wrote. “For me, what I have seen does not prove that it is legit, nor that it is a fake, nor that there has been any tampering whatsoever,…”

            Tremblay NEVER said the birth certificate was valid, nor fake. In fact, he has NO opinion on it one way or the other.
            And it was NOT WND that he stated misquoted him. It was Fox News.

            Twisting words you claim others do I see.
            Interesting.

            Time to get off your talking points and into reality.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Reed Hayes worked in another case for Obama's law firm. NOT on anything to do with Obama's birth certificate. ANOTHER case by the same law firm—that is all.

            Tremblay said that the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So you're trying to rewrite the facts.
            Got it.
            Facts are not on your side so try to rewrite it.

            Facts show that Hayes DID work on the obama defense team.
            I posted EXACTLY what Tremblay stated but yet you deny.

            It's all you have, denial.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Rational people will have to decide for themselves whether I showed the facts or am rewriging .

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Rational people have decided. They decided that the Birth certificate IS a fake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You keep saying 'evidence' but post OPINION.
            Obviously you don't understand the meaning of 'valid'. You don't understand the meaning of 'evidence' now?
            How sad.
            The EVIDENCE proves the birth certificate for obama is fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The written statements of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii are not opinion. The Index Data files and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii are not opinion. The fact that birther sites do not show their readers that the officials of Hawaii of both parties confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate (I wonder why they did not show that?) is not opinion.

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            In other words, you now claim you don't know the DIFFERENCE between an opinion and evidence.

            Again, opinion does not trump evidence. The evidence proves the birth certificate is fake.

            Mind naming on government agency that accepts a newspaper notice as legal identification?

            Keep posting the propaganda. Won't change the fact that the evidence PROVES the birth certificate is fake.

            How gullible you are.

          • smrstrauss says:

            It is the birth certificate of Hawaii, the short form OFFICIAL birth certificate, that is the legal evidence. The long form BC and the confirmations of the fact that it was sent to Obama by the officials of Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 are simply confirmation of the fact that Obama has an official birth certificate from Hawaii.

            For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Still pushing opinion and conspiracy theories?
            Case in point: "For Obama to have been born in a foreign country: "
            This is an opinion and clearly a conspiracy theory. Has no basis in fact.
            Clearly obama was not born in Hawaii at the place and time claimed since we have yet to see a valid birth certificate supporting this claim.
            Both the LFBC and the SFBC have solid evidence proving them to be fraudulent.

            Theories and opinions do not trump solid evidence.
            The birth certificates are fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Clearly obama was not born in Hawaii at the place and time claimed since we have yet to see a valid birth certificate…"

            Answer: "Clearly obama WAS born in Hawaii at the place and time claimed since we have seen both his short form and long form birth certificate and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (plus the Index Data and the 1961 birth notices) have confirmed that those birth certificate were issued.

            And there is no evidence that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961 much less have been one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy due to the high risk of stillbirths.

            Yet birthers have convinced a few gullible people that she did travel abroad and that the birth certificate and the confirmations of it by officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices are all lying.

            Gullible.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Clearly obama WAS born in Hawaii at the place and time claimed since we have seen both his short form and long form birth certificate…"

            Clearly he was not.

            I have NOT seen a valid short form or long form birth certificate for barrack obama proving he was born in Hawaii.
            Would you mind posting it?
            The one posted on WH.gov is a fake.

            More conspiracy theories I see.
            It is interesting that the INS records for the week of obama's birth are missing, the ONLY records missing. We shall never know where he was born.
            Quote: “Remarkably, all INS records for the week of Obama’s birth, Aug. 1 – Aug. 7, 1961, were missing from the end of Reel 184 and were not discovered anywhere on Reel 185, or any other microfilm reel in the record group,” the report said."
            Interesting.

            Evidence trumps your conspiracy theories and opinions.

            You are quite gullible.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The claims of a biased sheriff and "experts" posted on birther sites are not evidence.

            Obama's election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress in 2008 and 2012—and that included the votes of Michelle Bachmann and Ron Paul—so not one single one of the 535 members of Congress believed the birther lies that Obama's birth certificate is forged.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Please provide the link to 'claims of a biased sheriff'.

            Provide the proof that a 'biased' sheriff is making ANY claim.

            It is amazing what fraud, forgery and disenfranchisement will do, isn't it.

            Congress has a bill to impeach obama.
            You wish to believe that no Congressperson believes the evidence that shows the birth certificate is fake.
            Keep dreaming.

            I'll wait for that link.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Bias is a thing that people have to decide on for themselves. The National Review and I think that he is biased.
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            YOU disagree, so what?

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Bias is a thing that people have to decide on for themselves. "

            Exactly. So it is YOUR OPINION that Sheriff Arpaio is biased.
            Obviously the PEOPLE do not believe him to be biased or he would NOT have been REELECTED so many years.

            Now, where is his CLAIM that the birth certificate is fake?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Sheriff Joe's claim, which the National Review and other rational people do not believe, was contained in numerous press conferences.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Please post the link to Sheriff Joe's 'claim'.
            There was an investigation done by the Maricopa County AZ CCP that resulted in solid forensic evidence that the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama is a fake.
            Rational people are the ones who believe the facts and evidence. Anyone who refuses the facts and evidence are the irrational ones.
            It's obvious which you are which is why you are so gullible.

          • smrstrauss says:

            He made it in

            his press conferences.
            He ALSO claimed that it was evedence.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            As I said. Post link that shows Sheriff Joe making a CLAIM. What you refer to is reporting on an INVESTIGATION. Big difference.

        • MurryBlue says:

          Let's just quit beating this horse….Smrstrauss has all the info that (he, she, it) needs. We all have met people who must always be right; even when they are proven wrong. Now, let's all rejoice that we can all keep our health insurance if we like it and ……so wonderful…..can keep our doctors, too!!! I'm sure that smrstrauss won't admit that big lie either.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Rational people will notice that MurryBlue has not responded to the facts at all. Yes Obama was wrong when he said that "you can keep our health insurance," but politicians are frequently wrong—and that does not make them born in a foreign country or their birth certificates forged.

          • murryblue says:

            I'm so glad you responded to my little note….I thought I had been overlooked. I could care less where he was born nor who his parents were. I was turned off to him when he had his birth records and college records "sealed"…..people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. What you may answer to me is ~ "WHY did he have his records sealed?"

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's records are not "sealed." They are covered under the normal state and federal privacy laws. Obama has not "hidden" his college records. He simply has not published them, and he doesn't have to. In fact, Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show their college records either (and they are covered under the same state and federal privacy laws).

            Your question was: "WHY did he have his records sealed?"

            And the answer to it is HE DIDN'T. They are not sealed.

            And Obama has in fact published both is short form and long form birth certificates, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin's) have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

            Here is one of the more recent confirmations:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads

            Notice that it says that the information MATCHES. That means ALL of the information. Not a single fact is different from what they sent to him.

          • murryblue says:

            Now we all know you are fibbing. He was not vetted and he certainly had his records sealed. Your credibility is zip…….if you fib about one thing you will fib about another. You can put up all the fake sites up that you want; no one wants to read them because you are blowing hot air.

          • smrstrauss says:

            I agree that he was not "vetted." But then neither was any president or presidential candidate, unless you consider the investigations of the candidates' opponents to be vetting (which many do).

            Obama's background was, for sure, investigated by Hillary and John McCain and Mitt Romney—and not one of them claimed that he was born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged or that he had been admitted to college as a foreign student, etc, etc.

            The "sealed files" claim is simply a birther lie. Obama did not seal anything. His first executive order applies ONLY to presidential papers, Executive Office, White House presidential papers, and in fact it makes it harder, not easier, for presidents and former presidents to seal those papers. It does not, and cannot (because it is not a law) apply to state records, private records, college records or law firm records.

            All of those things are covered under the normal privacy laws. And, as I said, Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show their college records, passport records, etc, etc—either.

          • Larry Cates says:

            Maybe not, but it does make him a nappy-headed liar! You just keep on drinking the kool-aid strauss. I'll bet that you can even explain away why it took the nappy-headed liar TWO YEARS to furnish the fraudulent birth certificate.

          • smrstrauss says:

            MANY presidents have lied. Some had straight hair. Some had curly hair. Some were bald. Some have "nappy" hair. Got something against "nappy" hair?

            Obama furnished the short-form birth certificate, which is THE OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF HAWAII used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year way back in June 2008, five months before the election of that year. And that is all that is needed. It is sufficient. The fact that Obama also went to the step of getting special permission to receive a long-form birth certificate and showed it in April 2011 is just extra. BTW, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent both the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

          • Of course many presidents have lied. Everybody lies. But, because Obama does it, that makes it okay? Well, I don't know how you feel about being blind folded and led toward a cliff by a guy that insists 32 times that "you're safe", but I sure wouldn't place my trust in such a man, especially if the "leading" was actually nudging from behind.

          • smrstrauss says:

            It makes it just as good and just as bad as when other presidents lied. However, it does NOT make him born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Nixon was caught in a lie. He resigned.
            Clinton was caught in a lie. He was impeached.
            Obama has been caught in many lies. He skates away free.
            Care to explain this obvious failure to enforce the rules?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Nixon was caught OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE, a crime.

            Clinton lied under oath in an investigation.

            Obama made one of the typical lies of government–"X will happen" or "X will not happen." And then the statements turn out not to be true. Presidents have said things like for centuries. Big deal.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Obama has been caught obstructing justice. Think Benghazi and the Fast and Furious scandals.

            So what gives obama a pass?
            You're rather dependent on claiming it's others lying instead of obama who has been caught MANY times in lies.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Obama has been caught obstructing justice. Think Benghazi and the Fast and Furious scandals. "

            Neither are obstructions of justice. Bengazi was a stupid mistake—which is normal in government. And Fast and Furious was started back during the Bush administration.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Yet again you show your ignorance of the judicial system and processes.
            It shows why you are so gullible.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Actually, it is YOU who do.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            More denial. I expect nothing less from someone so gullible and ignorant.

          • You notice she likes to latch on to the eligibility issue and not other articles that talk of Obama's treason, division, covering up crimes, suing states, etc. It seems whenever the issue of or even a hint at Obama's ineligibility comes up, she goes on the offense/defense. Eventually, she has a break down and resorts to schoolyard bickering, as seen above. What fun, what fun. If only she knew the reason she's been drawn into these lines of dialogue. It's almost cruel in a way.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            If she had the intellect to know, she wouldn't be defending the lies, treason, division, crimes, illegal actions etc.. coming from the Executive branch now, would she.
            She reminds me of 'Thrill up the leg' Matthews. "Obama is absolutely perfect! He is the perfect man, father…. Never broke a law. Not even a speeding ticket!" All the while forgetting he admitted to being a Coke head and dope smoker. They are still ILLEGAL acts, are they not?
            Alinsky rules: When facts aren't on your side, name call and argue.
            These little rants are nothing if not expected. Best part is getting them to that point. So simply too.

        • If he had a real certificatew why did he figth so hard to hide it?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Who told you that he fought to hide it? He didn't. He showed the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the short-form Certification of Live Birth, way back in June 2008—five months before the election. And the official of Hawaii at the time, REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS, confirmed that they sent it to him. Then in April 2011, he also showed his long form birth certificate, and the officials of Hawaii confirmed that they sent that to him also.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The short-form Certification of Live Birth is, BTW, used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So you claim. The facts state differently. My own sisters short form birth certificate was turned down for identification.
            Of course, EVERYONE is lying except the obama defenders.
            Either way, if it is a legal document or not, has no bearing on the one presented as that of obama is indeed fraudulent.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The short form birth certificate of HAWAII is used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports. I notice that you did not say that your sister's birth certificate was from Hawaii.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            If the HAWAII short form birth certificate is used by thousands each year, name 10 (ten) who have.
            It doesn't matter what state a person is from. All states have a short form birth certificate. If it is a legal document for identification from one, then it is from all.
            A short form birth certificate is not legal for identification in all states.
            The one purported to be that of barrack obama is a fake. It's a mute point when it's a fake document.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "If it is a legal document for identification from one, then it is from all. "

            Not true. The State Department has rules about the security paper involved and the seal and what facts must be shown, and not all states put all of them on the short form. But Hawaii does, which is why the State Department accepts it.

            Hawaii has issued ONLY the short form birth certificate since 2001,
            http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606

            and since then thousands of people have used it to get their US passports.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Not true."
            As soon as you learn the law, you'll understand how wrong you are. It is either a legal document or it is not.
            Most states do not accept a short form birth certificate as identification. Each state MUST issue a birth certificate accepted in all 50 states.

            Hawaii, nor any other state, can refuse to issue a long form birth certificate.

            "
            and since then thousands of people have used it to get their US passports."

            As I asked, name 10. Even easier, name just one that's verifiable.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Answer: "http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/news/new-u-s–passport-requirement0.html&quot;

            As you can see, the US State Department does not accept all birth certificates.

            What state was your sister's short form from? What was it missing.

            Re name one. Okay, but it will take a little while. I'll post the request on an anti-birther site. Meanwhile, why not show even one person from Hawaii whose short form birth certificate was rejected by the US State Department.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "As you can see, the US State Department does not accept all birth certificates."
            Exactly what I said.

            "What state was your sister's short form from? What was it missing."
            ALL SFBC are missing the critical information is why they are not accepted.

            "I'll post the request on an anti-birther site."
            Of course you will. You seem to love sites that ignore the facts. Why not post on a site like Storyleak or WND that is neither anti-birther nor pro-fraudulent birth certificate?
            Is it because the majority on that site has also pointed out that you only post propaganda, opinions and speculations?

            "Meanwhile, why not show even one person from Hawaii whose short form birth certificate was rejected by the US State Department."

            You deny the facts and evidence now. Why would I believe you would accept other facts and evidence provided?
            I do have a friend who was born in Hawaii while her father was stationed there. She did ask for her SFBC and applied for a passport with it. The birth certificate was refused as identification. They do not write on the form that it is denied for lack of identification, it's just not processed. The only 'evidence' available is her word.
            Now comes the part where you call her a liar.

            On the other hand, if a passport was approved with a SFBC as identification, that is noted on the approved form.
            See how that works?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "name just one…"

            See the comment of

            Kate520 on http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2014/01/the-occasi

            She is reluctant to give her real name, for obvious reasons, but that is a statement that a person used a short form bc to get a US passport. Oh, and there is another comment by Rickey on the site who says that he used a New York State short form BC to get his US passport—and that the New York State BC has even less information on it than Hawaii's short form BC does.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            " Re: "name just one…" "
            "She is reluctant to give her real name,.."

            So you can't.

      • Edwardkoziol says:

        Mark it's a good thing nnis Rodman wasn't around back then Obutthole mother would have screwed him.Can you picture a president looking like that freak Rodman.

    • Why hello, ellen. It appears you're still on your over zealous crusade to mislead people so as to protect Obama's eligibility. I see you were quick to post a comment early rather than wait until this article became old news, going on the offensive rather than the defensive. Although, it makes one wonder what you're so worried about. Makes me wonder why you haven't made things official by heading up some kind of counter suit against Zullo. What, are you afraid of the cameras? Clearly, you have all the answers that have no holes in them, what-so-ever, right? Obama has a water tight case, doesn't he? If he does, what are you so worried about?

      Oh, yes. You're assertion that it wasn't murder because Fuddy was old and frail and the other three officials involved in covering for Obama are still alive. You're also going to assert that the killer would have to have been on the plane and taken the time to hold her head under the water and so on. First, you already know the cause of death? Second, you're saying a woman of almost 70 years of age couldn't follow the steps to save herself? Third, you think that because the other three officials still being alive that it couldn't possibly be a murder to cover things up? Let's look at that factor a moment. With Fuddy dead, it's just suspicion. If they were all dead at the same time or in short succession of each other, that's a dead give away. When big leads like that disappear all at the same time, you know something's up. If you're an investigator working on a big case and something like that happens, there's no doubt, someone's trying to block you. Don't you think the administration would be more careful about that? You really think they'd be dumb enough to knock off all four officials in one fell swoop? That's pretty naive of you. This isn't a total Dictatorship, yet. Besides, how do you know her death doesn't serve as a message to the others? I would suggest you read up on Mafia tactics and typical moves of aspiring dictators. Oh, I'm sorry. You want to ignore those kinds of things. My bad. Suggesting you attain some knowledge? What was I thinking? Reprobates don't research things that could harm their cause. They only take evidences that agree with their stance.

      Oh, before you talk around me, saying I didn't address your "facts", don't bother. You're forgetting last year and the year prior. I read up on your sources and found out how they were either false, questionable, and how certain systems could be cheated (Health Bureau Statistics for example). Since then, you've given me more reasons to doubt you than to agree with you. The fact that you use outdated information is part of that. The fact that you refer to sites that are clearly biased and share a cold hatred for anybody on the right, is another big reason to doubt you. I've noted before that you're really being frustrated and starting to lose it because this issue just wont go away. You've made it evident that we are a thorn in your side. Your insults and demeaning manner are proof. Your counter comments also drip with insecurity and immaturity as if you believe you can't get an edge without using primitive terminology (words like "duh", "punked", and "nutty"). My advice to you is to just quit. Now, I know your emotions will interfere with your better reasoning, but really think about it. If Obama really is legitimate, he doesn't need your help. You have nothing to worry about (as you're clearly showing you do worry about this issue). If Obama were really legitimate, you're work is done for you because the truth speaks for itself. By quitting, you're letting things take their natural course because if we're wrong, we'd be self-destructing and truly going nowhere. But, that's where the lingering doubt lies, doesn't it? Your lingering doubt. Why do you keep pushing back? Because of that niggling thought, "What if they're right?" But, you don't stop to think that you're helping our resolve. Because of you, we think there's something in the dark that somebody's trying to hide. If you'd kept your mouth shut, we'd suspect nothing. Obama opened the door to this issue and he's having trouble closing it. You're not helping. You're making it worse, in fact. That's why it's best if you just quit while you can. You'd be doing yourself a favor. Put the gasoline away.

      • smrstrauss says:

        Re: "If Obama really is legitimate, he doesn't need your help…"

        Answer: You are absolutely positively RIGHT. Obama's election was confirmed by the US Congress UNANIMOUSLY. And that includes the votes of Rep Michelle Bachmann and Rep Ron Paul. So, obviously he does not need my help.

        So why do I post? I post for the benefit of the occasional rational person who may visit this site and wants to see the facts that show that the birthers are as nutty as the "truthers"–the nuts who thought that George W. Bush was involved in the 911 attacks—and the members of the Flat Earth Society. For the benefit of those rational people, it is a constant feature of birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged—but they have not answered this at all:
        http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

        or this:
        http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o-ospi

        Birthers just keep saying "it is forged," "it is obviously forged" over and over again, but not a single member of Congress or Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or the National Review or Mitt Romney believes them because (1) birther sites lied many times in the past; (2) they never showed the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is NOT forged (I wonder why not); (3) they never told their readers that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to Obama; (5) they cannot answer the Xerox WorkCenter research; (6) they use as "experts" nuts like Doug Vogt (who claims to have found "the original Altar of Abraham) and far from impartial zealots like Paul Irey (who claims that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying that Obama did attend, and did graduate) and they do not tell the accurate background of their other "experts"—like Reed Hayes, who is an expert in signatures on physical documents NOT digital documents.

        • smrstrauss says:

          Continuing:

          There is not a shred of evidence that anyone other than the Department of Health ever put a birth notice into the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers. As the name indicates, and as both the DOH and the newspapers say, the "Health Bureau Statistics" section is ONLY for the Health Bureau, as the DOH was called at the time. ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii. The Cold Case Posse SAID that it found other birth notices "in the newspapers" (but not in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section), and, guess what, IT NEVER SHOWED A SINGLE ONE—not one.

          For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

          (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

          (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

          (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

          If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

          So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

          (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          In other words, birthers have been able to fool a few GULLIBLE people. But rational people will realize, as has every single member of the US Congress, Mitt Romney, and the National Review and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck, that the chance of Obama being born anywhere else than HAWAII is about a zillion to one against.

        • "So why do I post? I post for the benefit of the occasional rational person who may visit this site and wants to see the facts that show that the birthers are as nutty as the "truthers" "

          No you don't. You post for your own personal gratification. You even recycle terms used by members of MSNBC that use the exact same wording you do. You post because you're worried. Otherwise, why do you care? According to your previously made statements, not a lot of people visit this site. If that's true, why bother? If this site isn't even that big a threat, what's it to you? Why are you so worried and obsessed? Haven't you noticed your spin-doctoring is backfiring? All you're really doing is contradicting everything we're claiming, offering theories based on assumptions, offering flimsy/outdated evidence, and spamming the same contradictions. It's not working. It's like you're pushing against a semi that's rolling down hill and saying it's not moving. Again, I advise you put down the gasoline. Or don't you care that you're making things worse for Obama's case? Don't lie to me and say it's for other people. You're basically calling them stupid by saying that.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "No you don't. You post for your own personal gratification."

            You bet—is there anything wrong with that?

            Re: "You post because you're worried. Otherwise, why do you care?"

            Why do people collect stamps? I do it for my own amusement, not because I am worried, but regardless of my motives, the facts are still the facts. Obama really was born in Hawaii, not Kenya.

            Regardless of my motives, all this would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii–and there is about a zillion to one chance of all those things happening:

            For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • Re: "No you don't. You post for your own personal gratification."

            You bet—is there anything wrong with that?

            Yep. Goes to credibility. You confirmed you're a liar. Helping people understand the facts? Well, you just said that isn't true and I called you on it. Now that your credibility is shot, any readers have absolutely NO reason to believe you. It confirms my other suspicion of you as well. You're just around to try and hurt people. You think your motives have nothing to do with the case? Think again. Lying for Obama shows that you're desperate to protect him and therefor any evidences/theories you present are now and have always been tainted. Think people can trust that? Maybe one or two hardcore supporters like yourself. But, everybody else? Good luck with that. You've discredited yourself, essentially. Think about that the next time you claim birther sites lied about everything. Why should anybody believe you now?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re "goes to credibility."

            Answer: There is absolutely no reason why a person cannot post the facts for his own personal gratification. And, here are some of the facts:

            Here is a link to most of the documents that confirm that the officials in Hawaii sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the published image match what they sent to him:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            That shows the short-form official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth in detail. It also shows several confirmations that you should check including two that say that the facts on the published BC MATCH the facts on the ones sent to him.

            And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the confirmation sent to the Secretary of State of Arizona (and accepted as valid confirmation by him) NOTICE that it says that the facts MATCH those in the files, that they are exactly the same:
            http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verific&hel

            As you can see, that not only answers all 12 questions that were asked by Bennett, but it says “additionally” that it checked the information in the copy attached and that it matches the document in the files.

            Here is a statement from the member of the press, Savannah Guthrie, that she had felt the seal on Obama’s long form BC:
            https://twitter.com/SavannahGuthrie/status/633738

          • smrstrauss says:

            And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/20&hel

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about having heard about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Moreover, it remains nutty to believe that Obama’s relatives were rich enough or dumb enough to send their pregnant daughter to Kenya or to any other country at huge expense and high risk of stillbirth (and Yellow Fever in Kenya), when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

            Rational people can determine for themselves whether those are the facts, and whether birther sites are lying about Obama's birth certificate being forged (as they have lied many times in the past, particularly about the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said that he was born in Hawaii, and birther sites simply cut off the tape recordings on their sites before she said: "…in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.")

          • look you want everybody to just chill because people in high places say it's the real deal? hahaha.. there are many who will go down with this sinking ship.. your not fooling anyone.. common sense will rule the day over your idea of what rational is… prison food isn't that bad I hear…

          • smrstrauss says:

            Rational people will notice that Rick Irwin-Foolish Pleasure has not responded to the facts. He indicates that he does not believe the facts. That is his right (though it is indeed a "foolish pleasure"). However, rational people are convinced by the facts, and they show overwhelmingly that Obama really was born in Hawaii. The links above show that Hawaii really did issue a birth certificate for Obama back in 1961 and really did send copies of the short form and long form to Obama and really did confirm repeatedly that the facts in the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent to him.

            In addition, for Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all this would have had to have happened:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

      • Seeks_the_truth says:

        Have you noticed when 'ellen' wants to support her propaganda, Fuddy is an intelligent, sharp, honorable woman but when her suspicious death is questioned, Fuddy becomes old, frail, unable to think for herself or save herself in an emergency.
        I find it quite interesting how the story changes.

    • Linda From NY says:

      Hey Smrstrauss, ellen

      The only way a low information moron like you will wake up is when Obozo destroys the Country with a economic crash or a False Flag declares Martial Law using foreign solders or allows for this Country to be attack then maybe a moron like you will wake up.

      • smrstrauss says:

        Rational people will notice that Linda From NY has not responded to the facts.

      • this person will only wake up when convicted as an accomplice..

        • smrstrauss says:

          Rational people will notice that, once again, Rick Irwin-Foolish Pleasure has not responded to the facts.

          • Rational people will make up things to determine what is right and wrong. Reasonable people will recognize that ellen likes to talk around her opposition when it looks like she's loosing ground. You will notice this pattern when she has nothing substantial to fire back with. It is a typical move seen often in political debates. We call it the "straw man argument", when the argument is changed to a weaker one so that person can appear stronger. What ellen doesn't realize is by her fond tactic of invoking the 3rd party, it weakens her position and her opponent is unaffected. People will also notice the frequent use of the +1 ellen likes to give herself in order to appear as though she has support. This is the equivalent of a teenager wearing a hat that says, "I'm cool". Well, if you have to tell everyone…

          • smrstrauss says:

            Notice that there is not a single fact in the above comment. Readers cannot even tell from it whether Fennic believes that Obama was born in a foreign country or born in Hawaii. The latter is true—–as Obama's short form and long form birth certificates show, and they are confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (and by the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home).

          • Oh yes there is. I've pegged you pretty good, in fact. I've determined that you A) are a liar, B) have a screw loose (your desire to cause harm to others you don't know for pleasure) and C) are a sore looser (the above mentioned talking around others to sound superior). Had this been a real argument made in person, I calculate you'd actually be at the point of screaming at the top of your lungs or throwing your fists around. If after all this time with the same routine, you can't tell where I stand on the issue, you're really not paying attention. Then again, you likely don't want to. I've been going through this with an open mind and not claiming to have all the answers, whereas you go about as though you have all the answers, know what is unquestionably true and tout yourself as an authority on the subject. But, if you really want to know what I think, try asking. It's not hard. Much easier than imposing your views on others, that's for sure.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            How are you to know where obama was born when you've never seen a valid birth certificate for him?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Rational people will notice that Fennec has not responded to a single fact. Not one.

            The facts are that Obama has shown his short-term and long-term birth certificates. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed that they SENT then to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy shown by the White House are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet a few gullible people think that BOTH of the following happened: (1) Obama's mother was one of the EXTREMELY few: and, (2) The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

            Yes, people do lie, birthers do, and there are many examples of it. And their claims about Obama's birth certificate being forged are just another of their lies. The lied about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said. She NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, but the birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked where Obama was born. They lied about what Governor Abernathy said. He never said that Obama's birth certificate could not be found (and in fact four officials of Hawaii, three of them Republicans) said that the birth certificate was in the DOH files where it supposed to be. They lied about Obama's lawyer "admitting" that Obama's birth certificate was forged—-she never said any such thing. They claim that Obama became an Indonesian citizen—though a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will convince anyone (why not make the call? Ask for the press officer) that he was never a citizen of Indonesia. And birthers have repeatedly forged videos claiming that Obama said "I was born in Kenya"–but you cannot see his mouth move. And they have forged "Kenyan birth certificates" three times, once with a baby footprint (which was put online by a convicted felon who claimed that he got it in Kenya but refused to show evidence that he had ever been to Kenya).

            So, when it comes down to whether to believe birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged and that he was born in a foreign country or the statements of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers (which only the DOH could send notices to), it is obvious who to believe. Obama really was born in Hawaii, and the birthers are lying about his birth certificate being forged. (And to make it even more certain, the birther sites never showed their readers the numerous real document experts who say that the birth certificate is not forged—just as they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just when the grandmother started to say "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.") And they have never even discussed the Xerox WorkCentre findings.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            At the end of your flow chart.
            Time to start over.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So now people are to go on personal feelings instead of what the facts show? How does that work?
            What does it matter where Fennec believes oblameo was born? How would Fennec know where oblameo was born if he's never seen a valid birth certificate for barrack obama? What matters is he knows the birth certificate presented as that for barrack obama has been shown to be fraudulent.

            You keep making the claim you know for fact obama was born in Hawaii, but when pressed for a valid birth certificate you fail to produce one.
            No one knows where obama was born. No one has seen a valid birth certificate.
            Evidence shows the one posted on WH.gov is fraudulent. A 'belief' does not magically change it to fact.

            If it is valid, next time obama is in Hawaii (which is every other month it seems) let him go to the DHS and just get a new one. Have the media recording the entire process. We can match it up to the one on WH.gov and that would be the end of it.

            I'm sure you have no problem with this, right?
            Otherwise, the evidence speaks for itself and it says the BC is fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's birth certificate (short form AND long form) is completely valid since the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent it to him and that ALL the facts on it are correct. Birther claims that it is false are lies caused by their own motives.

            For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Copy and Paste part of the flow chart again I see. No independent thought obviously on your part.

            The evidence proves beyond a doubt the birth certificate posted on WH.gov for barrack obama is a fake.
            Just because you claim it's valid doesn't negate evidence.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The fact is that there isn't any evidence at all. There are simply birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is fake.

            But the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the short form and the long form to Obama, and that all the facts are correct. And the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi….

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04….

            You and other birthers claiming that Obama's birth certificate is a fake does not make it a fake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You keep claiming the birth certificate is valid without evidence.
            All evidence proves the birth certificate for obama is fake. So is all documents he submitted.

            Is it you don't understand what the word 'evidence' means now? Opinion is not evidence.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I find it funny that you continuously use that same line "Rational people will notice that, once again, ___________ has not ….."
            Haven't you realized yet it's the rational people LAUGHING at your poor attempt to defend the propaganda you spew?

            At least it explains a lot about you.

          • smrstrauss says:

            EVERYONE will notice that Seeks_the_truth did not respond to the facts.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            As I said. You are incapable of independent thought. That's why you fell so easily for the scam obama has committed.

    • Seeks_the_truth says:

      Is that all you have as proof is a newspaper notice that the grandparents placed? You are aware that a notice holds no legal standing don't you?
      Do you have ANY proof that the fake birth certificate is real? Besides the known liar standing up and trying to convince others THIS time he's not lying.
      Come on. ANY proof.

      Go where the evidence takes you. That is, unless you are so drunk on the koolaid you can readily ignore it.

      • smrstrauss says:

        Re: "Is that all you have as proof is a newspaper notice that the grandparents placed?"

        First, and most important, the newspaper notice was not and could not have been placed by the grandparents. ONLY the DOH could place birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers' "Health Bureau Statistics" section, which is where Obama's birth certificate appeared. And a birth notice placed by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 is additional proof that Obama was born in Hawaii because in 1961 the DOH only place birth notices for births IN Hawaii.

        Second, and almost as important, the birth notice is only additional confirming proof to (1) the birth certificates themselves, short form and long form; (2) the confirmations by the officials of both parties; (3) the Index Data—and MORE.

        In fact, here is a list of all the proof that Obama was born in Hawaii:

        (1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);

        (2) the repeated confirmations of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor;

        (3) the public Index Data file;

        (4) the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);

        (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;

        (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now—twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);

        (7) no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961;

        (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;

        (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either);

        (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;

        (11) Birther sites having lied about what Obama's grandmother said, and other things too, makes it highly likely that their "document experts" are lying too—and numerous real document experts say that the birth certificate is not forged, and that is confirmed by the evidence of the Xerox WorkCentre (which shows how that product scans documents and compresses them using layers and pixillaton).

        Re: "Do you have ANY proof that the fake birth certificate is real?"

        Answer: First, the birther sites did not show their readers all the many experts who said that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—and that shows that the birther sites are biased, not willing to discuss both sides of the story; (2) second, birther sites have not told their readers that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have said that all the facts on Obama's published birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him (and why would anyone forge a birth certificate on which the facts are EXACTLY the same as on the one sent to him?); (3) birther sites lied on other things, such as the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she said that he was BORN IN HAWAII, so why would anyone believe their claims about the birth certificate; (4) birther sites have not been able to answer this:
        http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

        • Seeks_the_truth says:

          So again, in short, you have NO evidence that shows barack obama has any documentation to verify his eligibility.
          I didn't think he did either.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "ou have NO evidence that shows barack obama has any documentation…"

            That is another birther LIE.

            Obama has shown both his short-form and long-form birth certificates, and they are both online. That is documentation.The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that all the facts on the copy the White House put online are exactly the same as on what they sent him. That is documentation. There is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. That is confirming documentation.

            Here is a link to SOME (by no means all) of the documents in which the officials of the government of Hawaii (officials of BOTH parties) repeatedly confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii and that they sent birth certificates from Hawaii to Obama and that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are exactly the same, repeat EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the long form birth certificate in the photographs taken by the NBC reporter Savannah Guterie, and which she stated she had felt the seal on:
            http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&amp

            Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
            http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

            Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

            Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Still, NO evidence. Just lies and propaganda. Got it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Rational people will notice that Seeks_the_truth calls FACTS "lies and propaganda."

            Yet, Seeks_the_truth cannot answer this question:

            For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

            (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

            (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

            (3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

            If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

            So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

            (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Your making it very clear you have no evidence or valid documents. All you have is propaganda and lies that you keep repeating hoping someone will listen to your babble.
            If you did, you'd be happy to post it.
            Got it. You're crazy.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Delighted to show the documents AGAIN. First the short form and long form birth certificates, which the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copies are exactly the same as on what they sent to him:
            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/preside

            And:
            http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

            (Notice the raised seal on the back.) And, BTW, the SHORT FORM birth certificate is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports. And, in fact, Mitt Romney showed only his short-form birth certificate.)

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is one of the more recent confirmations:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads

            Notice that it says that it verifies that the information (ALL the information) Matches the original record. This confirms that there is an original record in the files and that all the facts on the document that the Arizona secretary of state (a conservative Republican) are exactly the same as what they have in the files. The Republican secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation as proof that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

            Here is a statement from the member of the press, Savannah Guthrie, that she had felt the seal on Obama’s long form BC:
            https://twitter.com/SavannahGuthrie/status/633738

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/20&hel

            Here is one of the TWO confirmations from Kapiolani Hospital (neither of which birther sites showed their readers:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-

          • smrstrauss says:
          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the statement by the Kenyan Embassy that it had checked, and that Obama was not born there:

            http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

            Here is the annual report for 1961 from the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) that shows that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961:
            http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962uni

            Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing—there were only 21 arrivals.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here is the statement of the former Hawaii teacher who recalled being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961 and writing home to her father (named Stanley) about hearing that a child was born to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You going to keep wasting time? If you have a link to a valid birth certificate for barack obama, then post it. Millions would love to see it.
            Otherwise, admit you don't and leave it at that.

            So again, you do NOT have a link to a valid birth certificate for barack obama.
            I understand.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here are the links to Obama's short form and long form birth certificates AGAIN. The fact that YOU allege that they are not valid does not make them so.

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/preside….

            And: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I said valid.
            Sheesh. SMH

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's short form and long form birth certificates were sent to him by the DOH of Hawaii and fit the definition of the word VALID.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Doesn't matter who sent the fraudulent document to him. The fact remains it has been shown, beyond doubt, it is a fake.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The FACTS are that Obama has shown both his short-term and long-term birth certificates. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed that they SENT then to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy shown by the White House are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet a few gullible people think that BOTH of the following happened: (1) Obama's mother was one of the EXTREMELY few: and, (2) The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

            Yes, people do lie, birthers do, and there are many examples of it. And their claims about Obama's birth certificate being forged are just another of their lies. The lied about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said. She NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, but the birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked where Obama was born. They lied about what Governor Abernathy said. He never said that Obama's birth certificate could not be found (and in fact four officials of Hawaii, three of them Republicans) said that the birth certificate was in the DOH files where it supposed to be. They lied about Obama's lawyer "admitting" that Obama's birth certificate was forged—-she never said any such thing. They claim that Obama became an Indonesian citizen—though a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will convince anyone (why not make the call? Ask for the press officer) that he was never a citizen of Indonesia. And birthers have repeatedly forged videos claiming that Obama said "I was born in Kenya"–but you cannot see his mouth move. And they have forged "Kenyan birth certificates" three times, once with a baby footprint (which was put online by a convicted felon who claimed that he got it in Kenya but refused to show evidence that he had ever been to Kenya).

            So, when it comes down to whether to believe birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged and that he was born in a foreign country or the statements of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers (which only the DOH could send notices to), it is obvious who to believe. Obama really was born in Hawaii, and the birthers are lying about his birth certificate being forged. (And to make it even more certain, the birther sites never showed their readers the numerous real document experts who say that the birth certificate is not forged—just as they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just when the grandmother started to say "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.") And they have never even discussed the Xerox WorkCentre findings.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            The FACTS AND the EVIDENCE prove that the birth certificate presented as that for barrack obama is without doubt a fake.
            All documents posted for obama has been proven fraudulent.

            We have YET to see ANY valid documentation for barrack obama. Until we do, no one can say where he was born.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The fact is that birther sites simply claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged and call that "evidence." They are lying in that claim as they did in the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She said that he was born in Hawaii, but birther sites cut off the tape recording just before she said "…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.)

            So to say that there is "Evidence" that Obama's birth certificate was forged is just another LIE. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are the same as on what they sent him. The fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is also confirmed by the public index data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            And birther sites have not shown their readers the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—I wonder why they do not do that??

            And birther sites have never discussed the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research—I wonder why they do not do that too?

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            So it comes down to your 'facts' are hearsay? That's what you keep repeating.
            Because XX says it's valid it is. Because YY says I saw it, it is. So because XX and YY claim it's valid it is.

            How gullible you are.

            Reality shows that the EVIDENCE PROVES that the birth certificate posted on WH.gov is fake. That all documentation presented for obama is fraudulent.
            People lie, evidence does not.

            To dumb it down for a sheeple like you, just because you claim the sky is green doesn't make it so.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama has shown both the short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii. They both are valid.

            Birther sites simply claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged and call that "evidence." They are lying in that claim as they did in the claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She said that he was born in Hawaii, but birther sites cut off the tape recording just before she said "…born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.)

            So to say that there is "Evidence" that Obama's birth certificate was forged is just another LIE. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that they sent the short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copy are the same as on what they sent him. The fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is also confirmed by the public index data file and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            And birther sites have not shown their readers the many real experts who say that Obama's birth certificate is not forged—I wonder why they do not do that??

            And birther sites have never discussed the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research—I wonder why they do not do that too?

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Solid evidence proves that neither document are valid.
            Both birth certificate documents, and all others, purported to be that of obama has been proven beyond doubt to be fake.
            Opinions and hearsay does not trump evidence.

            The xerox 'theory' has been debunked. It IS a theory and nothing more. They offer NO evidence. Update your talking points.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Who, pray tell, has "debunked" the Xerox research?

            Here it is again for rational people to consider and make up their own minds:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            Please show where and how it was "debunked"—–or else everyone will know that it is just another lying claim "there is evidence," "there is evidence," "there is evidence.

            For Obama to have been born anywhere else than Hawaii: (1) his mother would have had to have made an extremely rare and dangerous trip late in pregnancy; (2) the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) plus the Index Data and the birth notices would all have to be lying. So, since Obama really was born in Hawaii—why should he forge his birth certificate? Birther “experts” saying “there is evidence” it is forged is simply another of their lies. Birther sites not showing the real experts who say Obama’s birth certificate is NOT forged confirms their bias. Saying “there is evidence the sun raises in the West” does NOT make it raise in the West.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            And there is your problem. You are so locked into your talking points you don't keep up with facts.

            You now claim a standard trip that many women take, then and now, is some "extremely rare and dangerous trip". Being pregnant is not some life threatening illness.
            So why DID she travel then?
            But your mind is set to the lies.

            Again, you claim EVERYONE is lying EXCEPT obama and his defenders. Ignore the EVIDENCE that proves the birth certificate is fraudulent.
            The facts SCARE you. To admit to the facts would be to admit you have been duped.
            How sad.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You claim facts but provide none. You do wish others to accept an opinion as a fact but ignore the evidence that states the birth certificate is fake.

            There are many FACTS that show the birth certificate is fake.
            There is EVIDENCE that PROVES the birth certificate is fake.
            The facts are not on your side.

          • smrstrauss says:

            I have shown links to the facts above. People can decide for themselves whether to believe them or the birther sites, which have lied repeatedly. Some examples:

            Here are some classic birther lies:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC—when there weren't ANY???

            (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            No, you have posted opinions and conspiracy theories. Nothing more.
            You ignore the evidence and facts that prove the birth certificate purported to be that of barrack obama is fraudulent.

            As seen above, not one thing you have posted is a fact. It is ALL either speculation or opinion.

            Rational people realize it's a personal decision to travel late in pregnancy, or fly with a newborn as Stanley Dunham DID do.
            Rational people also question why after DECADES of records, ONLY the week of obama's birth is MISSING. JUST that week. ONLY that week. No other records are missing.
            That in itself demands the question why.
            Stanley Dunham WAS in possession of a VALID PASSPORT before her son was born. This is not in dispute.
            I'm sure you have the answer for this.

            Since GW Bush DID release his transcripts, as other presidents DID, it is confusing if obama was such a 'scholar' why he would keep his records private.
            We know as FACT that obama WAS a student in an Indonesia muslim school. We know as FACT to be a student at the school, the child MUST be a citizen of Indonesia. We also know his legal name was Barry Soetoro. When did he legally change it to Barrack Hussein Obama? Since he claimed on his Bar registration that he went by no other name, that is considered a lie, fraud.
            It was Hillary Clinton's campaign that brought to light the fact obama is not a qualified candidate. Rational people understand that if her campaign saw this, there must be something to it. Especially now that there is hard evidence.

            Can you explain how there is overlapping typeset on the 1961 birth certificate when typewriters, which was all that was used, are incapable of this action?
            I'm sure you can say which is the 'REAL' birth certificate. The one on a green 'security' background or the one on a white background.

            Let me also enlighten you yet AGAIN.
            You said "And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one.There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind."

            Case #1120465 http://www.worldtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/20

            In fact, there have been over 49 separate law suits that have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court.

            As you see, you are confused and misinformed. You don't understand the law nor do you understand what facts are.

            See, gullible obama defenders, like you, ignore the facts but rely on opinions and propaganda to push their agenda. They realize they can't dispute the facts so they rely on misinformation.

            Are you going to continue with the propaganda or confront the evidence?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Case #1120465 http://www.worldtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/20…. "

            That, in case you did not notice it, was not a case AGAINST OBAMA. The name of the case is McCinnish v. Chapman. The case is against CHAPMAN. Obama is not involved, and naturally he is not spending any money on it.

            Re: "In fact, there have been over 49 separate law suits that have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court. "

            ALL of the lawsuits against Obama, repeat, against OBAMA, were to get him off of the ballot. None of them were for documents. Not one.

            Lawsuits against other people and against states are paid for by those people and those states. But the birther claim is that Obama "spent millions" on hiding his documents. Well, since there was never a lawsuit against HIM for documents, he didn't spend a cent.

            He did, however, show his short form and long form birth certificates, and the officials of both parties repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and those are facts. Birther "experts" claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged are simply claims.

            Re: "Rational people realize it's a personal decision to travel late in pregnancy, or fly with a newborn as Stanley Dunham DID do. "

            Rational people will also realize that the risk of stillbirth is considerably higher than the risk to newborn child (probably a month old at least) of traveling on an airline.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Read your statement again:
            You said "And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one.There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind."

            Again: Re: "Case #1120465 http://www.worldtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/20…. "

            You have been proven wrong, again, and you can't accept it.
            The rest of your statement is pure speculation and opinion. The evidence shows that both the LFBC and SFBC purported to be that of barrack obama is indeed fraudulent.

            "Rational people will also realize that the risk of stillbirth is considerably higher than the risk to newborn child (probably a month old at least) of traveling on an airline."

            Yet again you post OPINION and speculation. There was no more of a chance of a stillborn birth then as there is now. It is STILL a personal choice whether to travel or not.
            Facts show people flew then pregnant and still fly today.
            The fact remains Dunham did fly while pregnant.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You've provided no facts. Only opinions and no evidence.
            All evidence proves the birth certificate is fake.
            That means the FACTS prove it is a fraudulent document.

            Instead of point to opinions, point to a legal investigation with tangible evidence that shows otherwise.
            Don't have it do you.
            The IS an investigation with tangible evidence that PROVES the birth certificate is fake.

            You're just figuring out you've been had and you don't like it.

          • smrstrauss says:

            The statements in writing of the officials of both parties in Hawaii are not opinions. The public index data files and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (when a Republican was the governor of Hawaii, and BTW only the DOH—under that Republican governor—could send birth notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers—-is not "opinion."

            Re: "Legal investigation":

            Birther “experts” and Sheriff Joe and the Cold Case Posse have lied many times in the past.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            But they still have a few highly gullible followers who are willing to claim that what they say is “evidence.” But, it isn’t—which is why nobody in Congress or the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona believe it. Birthers can calm that “there is evidence the sun raises in the West.” But in fact it raises in the East.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            But they are opinions.
            Newspaper notices are NOT legal for identification. How do you explain that Stanley Dunham didn't live at the address listed on the notice? I suppose you want to ignore that issue.

            Where are the charges against the Law Enforcement agency for creating a defamatory investigation? Where are the supporting documents confirming?
            You just don't like that a Law Enforcement agency has proven beyond doubt that the birth certificate is fake.
            Can't debunk the evidence, slander the presenter.
            So yet again, EVERYONE is lying EXCEPT obama and his defenders.
            Got it.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You claim you're delighted to but refuse to post a link to a valid birth certificate or documents for barack obama.

            Is it you don't understand the question or what the word 'valid' means?
            It must be one of these reasons.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here, again, are the links to Obama's VALID short form and long form birth certificates.
            http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/preside….

            And: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

            They were sent to him by Hawaii, which has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of both parties in Hawaii. All the facts on them are exactly the same as what was sent to him, which also has been repeatedly confirmed. They also are confirmed by the public Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. They fit the definition of VALID.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            I said valid. Obviously you don't understand the meaning of this word.

          • smrstrauss says:

            I repeat, Obama's birth certificate IS valid. See above.

            Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii and the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Just because you claim it's real doesn't negate the solid evidence that it is fake.
            I know it's hard to accept you've been fooled, but you have.
            Someday you may understand.

          • smrstrauss says:

            There is no evidence. There are only birther CLAIMS that Obama's birth certificate is forged. And they are as phony as the many other birther lies.

            And birther sites (and Sheriff Joe) have not even tried to answer the results of the Xerox WorkCentre research:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            Re "fooled":

            The FACTS are that Obama has shown both his short-term and long-term birth certificates. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have confirmed that they SENT then to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy shown by the White House are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as on what they sent to him. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet a few gullible people think that BOTH of the following happened: (1) Obama's mother was one of the EXTREMELY few: and, (2) The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

            Yes, people do lie, birthers do, and there are many examples of it. And their claims about Obama's birth certificate being forged are just another of their lies. The lied about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said. She NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, but the birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked where Obama was born. They lied about what Governor Abernathy said. He never said that Obama's birth certificate could not be found (and in fact four officials of Hawaii, three of them Republicans) said that the birth certificate was in the DOH files where it supposed to be. They lied about Obama's lawyer "admitting" that Obama's birth certificate was forged—-she never said any such thing. They claim that Obama became an Indonesian citizen—though a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will convince anyone (why not make the call? Ask for the press officer) that he was never a citizen of Indonesia. And birthers have repeatedly forged videos claiming that Obama said "I was born in Kenya"–but you cannot see his mouth move. And they have forged "Kenyan birth certificates" three times, once with a baby footprint (which was put online by a convicted felon who claimed that he got it in Kenya but refused to show evidence that he had ever been to Kenya).

            So, when it comes down to whether to believe birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged and that he was born in a foreign country or the statements of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data, plus the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers (which only the DOH could send notices to), it is obvious who to believe. Obama really was born in Hawaii, and the birthers are lying about his birth certificate being forged. (And to make it even more certain, the birther sites never showed their readers the numerous real document experts who say that the birth certificate is not forged—just as they cut off the tape recordings on their sites just when the grandmother started to say "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.") And they have never even discussed the Xerox WorkCentre findings.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Just because you want to ignore the evidence doesn't make it go away.
            The evidence proves the birth certificate posted on WH.gov for obama is without a doubt, a fake.

            The only ones caught in lies has been obama and his defenders.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Actually, there isn't any evidence at all. There are simply birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is fake. But the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the short form and the long form to Obama, and that all the facts are correct. And the fact that Hawaii issued a birth certificate for Obama in 1961 is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi….

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04….

            You and other birthers claiming that Obama's birth certificate is a fake does not make it a fake.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            There's no evidence?
            If you state that, then you are WILLFULLY ignorant.

            There is no birth certificate for barrack obama then right?

    • Notices in the newspaper do not a birth certificate make. It was not unusual in those days for children born out of the country and whose parents lived in Hawaii to have their births announced in the newspaper. Having the birth announced in the paper did not prove the child was born in Hawaii just as a wedding announcement does not prove the couple was married in that state.

      • smrstrauss says:

        In this case the birth notices are good confirming evidence to: (1) the birth certificates themselves; (2) the confirmation of them by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii; (3) the Index Data; (4) the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth of a child in Hawaii to a woman named Stanley.

        It is good confirming evidence because the birth notices appeared in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers. And, as the name indicates (the DOH was known as the Health Bureau in Hawaii in 1961) and both the DOH and the newspapers confirm, only the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers—and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.

        In other words, parents could have their child's birth IN the newspaper, but not in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, where Obama's birth notice appeared.
        http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

        Yes, the address given is that of Obama's grandparents. That is not unusual either. When couples have not found a place for themselves they frequently give the address of one of their parents.

        • Seeks_the_truth says:

          You can take that newspaper announcement to any Federal department as legal identity, right? Say for ID for a drivers license.
          ANYONE can do it, right?

  2. Edwardkoziol says:

    Yes but fuddy may have been feeling guilty and was abouut t6o blow the whistle and she had to meet the faith that those who knew where Hitlary & Slick skeletons were buried.

    • Linda From NY says:

      Hi Edward,

      I too find it very suspicious that Fuddy was the only one that died, I believe she was murdered, she knew too much and they had to make sure that she did not speak.

      While she covered for the devil he turn around and betray her and this is not the first death surrounding this man just like the Clintons they too have a trail of over 50 dead people that were close to them.

      • smrstrauss says:

        Re: "I too find it very suspicious that Fuddy was the only one that died…"

        Your suspicion is not proof that she was murdered, and IF she were, it would not be proof that Obama had anything to do with the murder. People do die in accidents, you know. In fact, death is normal. Some 2.4 million Americans die every single year.

        And Fuddy was just one of four officials who confirmed Obama's birth in Hawaii, and there isn't a particle of a shred of a sign that she was about to change her mind. Obama's birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961, and there isn't even proof that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did.

    • smrstrauss says:

      Re: "Yes but fuddy may have been feeling guilty…"

      Answer: Yes, but there is no evidence that she DID "feel guilty." All that you have is that one of the four officials who saw Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash. The other three are still alive, and the proof of the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (in the "Health Bureau Statistics" section that only the DOH could send notices too) are still confirming proof that Hawaii did issue a birth certificate to Obama in 1961. Oh, and there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—-and very very few 18-year-olds did, and even fewer, EXTREMELY few, women traveled abroad late in pregnancy because of the risk of stillbirths. So you are dreaming that Fuddy "may have been feeling guilty" because there was NOTHING TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT. Obama really was born in Hawaii. The chance of his being born anywhere else is like about a zillion to one against.

    • freedom4US says:

      Reminds me of the 55 plus people who ended up mysteriously dying who had anything to do with the Clinton scandals. First and foremost Vince Foster and Ron Brown come to mind.

      • smrstrauss says:

        There is no LINK between Fuddy's death and Obama. IF there was a report that she would change her story and deny her confirmation of the birth certificate, then you could say that Obama would have a motive to kill her. But that is not true. We have NO reason to believe that she would have said anything about Obama at all. IF she were murdered, which is unlikely, then there could have been lots of other people who had motive to do it. Maybe she was about to launch an investigation of a drug firm. Maybe she was about to change her will. Maybe she had deceived a lover. ALL of those are just as likely, more likely, than Obama having anything to do with it. And that is IF it were a murder—which the other passengers would probably have noticed, you known. And the other three officials in Hawaii who confirmed Obama's birth certificate are all still alive. And in addition to the four people who confirmed Obama's birth certificate, there is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

  3. jon graham says:

    she had to go. cya

  4. How hard is it to see that Obama is out to destroy us wake up it's smacking you right in the face

    • smrstrauss says:

      That's not true, but even if it were, it would not make Obama born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged. You have the right to call your congressman and senators and ask them to impeach Obama for any reason or no reason at all. But if you say "because he was born in a foreign country and his birth certificate is forged," they will laugh at you because neither is true. As for Benghazi and other right-wing claims, they have all faded away because there is no evidence to show anything other than mistakes and fuck-ups (which are normal in government, sadly).

      • Larry Cates says:

        You democrat thugs are very good at covering your greedy, dishonest azzes! Only an imbecile would not be able to see that this muslim puppet is trying to destroy America and you must be involved up to your neck to be trying so hard to cover up for this bum in the WH. You know and we know it. There's just not enough honest politicians in office at the moment to do anything about it.

        • smrstrauss says:

          That is not true, but even if it were, it would not make Obama born in a foreign country or his birth certificate forged.

          • I would challenge you to prove his birth certificate is valid, or his Connecticut Social Security card or account for his selective service card. You are believing whatever they tell you and you can't believe they would lie to all of us. They will and they have on more than just Obama's identity. Ask any Congressman and they will not laugh. Many will tell you candidly that they believe Obama is an imposter. In public, they dance around the issue and never answer the question. Time will tell and many will have egg on their face whatever the results.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Obama's Selective Service card was indeed forged, but Obama did not post his Selective Service card, a birther did—who do you think forged it?

            Obama's Connecticut SS number was generated by entering the zip code wrong for Honolulu, and a single digit entered wrong generates a SS number from another place. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814. Were you under the impression that Social Security clerks never made mistakes or that entering a zip code wrong would not generate a SS number from another place?

            Obama's birth certificate (both the short form and long form) was sent to him by the DOH of Hawaii, which has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties. And they have confirmed that ALL the facts on the birth certificate put online by the White House are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            And the fact that Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii is further confirmed by the Index Data file:

            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

            And by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961—and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so in 1961 for births IN HAWAII.

            Re: "Ask any Congressman and they will not laugh."

            Answer. Sadly, they will laugh at you—try it and find out. The reason is that it is completely loony to think that both of the following two points happened: (1) that Obama's mother was one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled outside of the USA in the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 because of the high risk of stillbirths (and that her relatives even had enough money to waste on such a risky trip); and (2) that the birth certificate AND the confirmation of the officials of Hawaii AND the Index Data AND the birth notices (and the teacher who wrote home) are all lying.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the statement of the former Hawaii teacher who recalled being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961 and writing home to her father (named Stanley) about hearing that a child was born to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

  5. this [ smrstrauss ] character obviously works for the democratic party…. and did not mention the improbability of an 1960's typewriter have more than one font face with kerning abilities.. and this Ms. Fuddy obviously committed suicide by holding her breath. …….Let us all use common sense here folks…… the BC is a fake and Fuddy was murdered.. NEXT……….

    alot of people are going to be convicted of treason when this all comes out so of course they're scrambling like mad to convince people to leave it alone…. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!

    I might also mention a dem lawmaker has presented a bill that would take the death penalty off of Treason.

    • smrstrauss says:

      I do not work for the Democrats. Re: " and did not mention the improbability of an 1960's typewriter have more than one font face with kerning abilities.."

      Answer: It is not "kerning." There is no kerning in the birth certificate. The generation of the appearance of multiple fonts is explained by the way that the Xerox WorkCentre works.
      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

      And the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties, including the former Republican governor, have repeatedly confirmed that they sent the Hawaii short form and long form birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are exactly the same as what they sent to him. So rational people can decide whether to believe birther claims that Obama's birth certificate is forged (and birthers have lied repeatedly in the past, such as in their story that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya when she actually said that he was born in Hawaii, and birther sites simply cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she said it—-I wonder why??). Or they can believe the statements IN WRITING of the officials of both parties in Hawaii. And, since the facts on Obama's birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him, the claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged is, obviously, another birther LIE.

      The BC is not a fake, and Fuddy was not murdered. And the other three officials in Hawaii who also confirmed Obama's birth certificate are all still alive, and the public Index Data file and the 1961 birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii confirm it too.

    • smrstrauss says:

      Re: "is [ smrstrauss ] character obviously works for the democratic party…. and did not mention the improbability of an 1960's typewriter have more than one font face with kerning abilities.."

      I do not work for the Democrats, or for the White House or for anyone. And there was NO kerning, and there were no different fonts. The other anomalies in Obama's birth certificate are explained by:
      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

  6. MuslimLuvChrist says:

    nigga lie, we gonna die

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