Video: Barack Hussein Soebarkah? Loretta Fuddy, The Cult Of Subud, And (Possibly) Obama’s Real Daddy!





I’m sure this is just another “vast right wing conspiracy theory”…





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  1. HIS SWEET MOTHER SURE LOOKS LIKE SHE WAS A BED JUMPER HOPE SHE WAS PAYED FOR ALL THAT BED TIME

  2. Bingo!!!!!!

  3. Where is this founder of the cult from? What nation is he a citizen of?

  4. Edwardkoziol says:

    You know I never knew a jackass could mate with a women and have offspring but President Obuma is living proof.After all his mother didn't care who was thumping her.

  5. MuslimLuvChrist says:

    When Obama started using a stolen SSN he was most likely an Indonesian citizen as State Department documents prove that he was known as Soebarkah. Orly Taitz brought up the subject of Obama not having a valid social security number at The Indiana Election Division Hearings’ candidate challenges. The Democrat on the panel of Election Board stated that “how does a non-valid social security number from Connecticut keep Obama from Being a US Citizen (and therefore President of the US)?” Also, the inexplicable death of the main Hawaii Department of Health official linked to issuance of the “real” Obama BC, 65 year old Loretta Fuddy. Attorney Orly Taitz issued a recent press release saying she “was contacted by Mr. Larry Fenton who tried to serve Fuddy with a Taitz subpoena. Fenton was not allowed to serve Fuddy with the subpoena in person as required by law, but “was told to leave it at the gate” before she died. Lead Arpaio investigator Mike Zullo filed a 207 point affidavit in the case against AL Sec of State Chapman, citing possible “fraudulent creation of an official document, forgery of a governmental birth record, and deception of voters and state election commissioners across the county. (EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SUEING THE VETTERS)” When is Alabama supreme court case 1120465 ruling, (AND EVERY OTHER STATE)?!? How many aliases does this sand monkey have? Lot of inbreeding going on in Indonesia!

    • Edwardkoziol says:

      MLC I hate to say this but I don't think we'll ever get the truth out because to many rabbits in the republican party are scared of being called a racist.It's like Clinton getting away with killing Vince Foster and the other bodies the Clintons are attached too.when the press and some news reporters won't do a story on the jigaboo being illegal t5hen it's all over.Fuddy is just another Vince Foster they knew to much.

    • Re: “When Obama started using a stolen SSN.”

      It isn’t stolen. The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error—did birther sites let you think that SS clerks never made mistakes? Well, they made millions upon millions of them, and entering a single digit in a zip code wrong causes the SS number to be generated from a different place. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

      The notion that Obama used “Harrison J. Bounel”’s SS number is another birther LIE.
      http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/12/who-or-why

      Re: “ he was most likely an Indonesian citizen…”

      Answer: Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm: Phone (202) 775 – 5200—and ask for the press officer.

      Re: “as State Department documents prove that he was known as Soebarkah. “

      Answer: Obama’s mother scribbled down that word on a passport application, but we have no idea what it meant, and by the way, it was a passport application to renew HER passport. Obama already had his own US passport, and we know this because he traveled ALONE from Indonesia to Hawaii when he was going to attend high school, so he had to have his own passport. And it had to have been a US passport, or else he would have needed a US VISA on a foreign passport, and there is no evidence that he applied for one, and if he did it would be easy to find—and the Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department for eight years, so if that application existed, they would have found it.

      Re: “Orly Taitz brought up the subject of Obama not having a valid social security number at The Indiana Election Division Hearings’ candidate challenges..”

      Answer: It is perfectly valid, despite being generated from the wrong state—the fact that the CT numbers are used instead of HA numbers does not make the SS number invalid.

      Re: “The Democrat on the panel of Election Board stated that “how does a non-valid social security number from Connecticut keep Obama from Being a US Citizen (and therefore President of the US)?”

      Answer: That is an excellent question, and the answer is that it doesn’t. It is valid, but valid or not valid, a SS number is not proof of the place of birth—much less proof of birth in a foreign country.

      Re: “Also, the inexplicable death of the main Hawaii Department of Health official linked to issuance of the “real” Obama BC, 65 year old Loretta Fuddy. “

      Answer: Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama's birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a friend of Sarah Palin's), and all three of the others are still alive. And Obama's birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii). So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat, but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are just as strong as the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate—-when there isn't even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

      Re: “Attorney Orly Taitz issued a recent press release saying she “was contacted by Mr. Larry Fenton who tried to serve Fuddy with a Taitz subpoena. Fenton was not allowed to serve Fuddy with the subpoena in person as required by law, but “was told to leave it at the gate” before she died. “

      • Continuing:

        Answer: How many MONTHS before she died? (Notice that they do not tell you.) Nor do they tell you what the subpoena was about. And, BTW, if there was a valid subpoena, it can be served on the next Director of Health of Hawaii, so Fuddy not being there has nothing whatever to do with the situation. If the subpoena is for files, the files are still there. Fuddy’s being dead does not change the situation. Yet you seem to think that because just one of FOUR officials (plus the Index Data and the birth notices) is dead, that is proof that Obama was not born in Hawaii—how crazy.

        Re: “Lead Arpaio investigator Mike Zullo filed a 207 point affidavit in the case against AL Sec of State Chapman…”

        Answer: Birther sites have not told you that that case has nothing to do with Obama’s place of birth or his birth certificate. It has to do with whether or not the Secretary of State of Alabama has to vet the eligibility of ALL presidential candidates, including Mitt Romney’s eligibility. In the highly unlikely event that the birther side wins the Alabama case, the ruling would simply be that in FUTURE presidential elections, the Secretary of State has to vet the eligibility of presidential candidates. Hence the affidavit is irrelevant, and will not even be looked at. (Moreover, it is false, a pack of lies.)

        Re: “When is Alabama supreme court case 1120465 ruling?”

        Answer in a little while.

        Re: How many aliases does this sand monkey have?

        Answer: Obama’s legal name is Obama, and he never changed it. He simply used the name of his step-father when he was in Indonesia, which is perfectly legal. Sometimes he has used nicknames, like Barry. But those are not “aliases.”

        • For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

          (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1970], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

          (2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

          (3) She or relatives would have had to have gotten the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country (in other words to make them LIE), and also somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

          If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

          So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

          (Oh, and there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did, and EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birther sites hope that a few GULLIBLE people will just assume that she was one of the few to have a passport and one of the extremely few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties who have confirmed it and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are all lying. )

          • MuslimLuvChrist says:

            Thank you for the detailed breakdown. I was just quoting previous articles from websites like obamaballotchallenge.com and unlawfullpresident.com, that don't even exist anymore (after going back and double checking). So what do you think about this “vast right wing conspiracy theory”? Why are these documents being destroyed or locked up like his selective service card and his college transcripts, published records, or papers?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Why are these documents being destroyed or locked up like his selective service card and his college transcripts, published records, or papers? "

            Those, of course, are all private documents and covered under the normal state and federal privacy law. That is all. (And Mitt Romney and John McCain did not show those documents either.)

          • MuslimLuvChrist says:

            Re: If Mitt Romney and John McCain were asked to reveal these documents, they would, your liar-in-chief won't could it would burry him, the communist islam!

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "If Mitt Romney and John McCain were asked to reveal these documents, they would…"

            So you claim. CLAIM. But the fact is that they didn't. Neither did Bush (his transcript was leaked by Yale, but Bush didn't show it) or for that matter Clinton or Bush41 or Reagan or Carter, or Ford or Nixon—–etc., etc.

          • MuslimLuvChrist says:

            obama just wants to hide his communist history from everyone! obama swore on the Bible that he would support and defend the Constitution. But he has caused a less perfect union, established injustice, has destroyed domestic tranquility, removed money and support for the common defense of this nation, made the general welfare of the nation worse, and made our liberty less secure now and into the future. Then again, maybe there are two Obamas. There is the one who is like Sergeant Shultz, who knows nothing and would rather enjoy the perks of the Presidency; and there is the one we aren’t allowed to know about. Obama is just an arrogant, incompetent putz who has no clue about how honest government really works (of the people, by the people, and for the people) and NOT (of the Obama, by the Obama, and for the Obama). This Narcissist Socialist Islamic Extremist Muslim member of al Qaeda man child spoiled brat should have his entire family and his democrap cabinet PAY OR they ALL should be tortured by water-boarding until they confess to what this Obdicktator wanted to do. Then take them ALL out to public stocks and bilboes and stone them till death. Then hang their heads from the Washington monument so that no other democrap dare spit on this country’s Constitution ever again! American’s now think of him as a little man mostly because they can not trust him after the lies upon lies, along with never taking accountability, his credibility is worthless. I feel sorry that Obama is incapable of leading our great nation. I feel sorry for my country, once the greatest nation in the world, duped by the big rhetoric of an inordinately small man.
            If you think obama is so perfect then please contradict all 545 documented obama lies, lawbreaking, and instances of his corruption, then I will be impressed! The short link for this is&nbsp ;http://tinyurl.com/ku9vxug

          • smrstrauss says:

            Notice that MuslimLuvChrist has not responded to the FACTS shown above? (I wonder why not??)

          • MuslimLuvChrist says:

            You are gay! If you think obama is so perfect then please contradict all 545 documented obama lies, lawbreaking, and instances of his corruption, then I will be impressed! The short link for this is ;http://tinyurl.com/ku9vxug

          • smrstrauss says:

            Why not start with explaining why birther sites made all of the following LIES:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC—when there weren't ANY???

            (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

            Obama has shown both his Hawaii short-form BC (the Certification of Live Birth, COLB, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year), and he has shown his long form Hawaii BC. And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and that all the facts, repeat ALL the facts are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as what they sent to him. And Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, where Obama's birth notice was published, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

            Obama is not perfect, and like other politicians he has lied, BUT he was born in Hawaii, and the evidence for that is overwhelming, and since he was born in Hawaii, he is—like all children born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats—a Natural Born US Citizen.

            “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President …"—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

          • MuslimLuvChrist says:

            You are gay! If you think obama is so perfect then please contradict all 545 documented obama lies, lawbreaking, and instances of his corruption, then I will be impressed! The short link for this is ;http://tinyurl.com/ku9vxug

          • smrstrauss says:

            Notice that MuslimLuvChrist has not answered the facts above and has simply repeated what MuslmLuvChrist wrote above.

          • MuslimLuvChrist says:

            You are like the annoying gay that everybody hates! If you think obama is so perfect then please contradict all 545 documented obama lies, lawbreaking, and instances of his corruption, then I will be impressed! The short link for this is ;http://tinyurl.com/ku9vxug

          • What makes it okay for you to do it?

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Where are these 'birther lies' you promised to post?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here are some of the classic birther lies:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            And, by the way, the claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged is the biggest LIE of all.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Here are some of the classic obama worshipers defenses:

            1) Worshipers state that Hawaii ONLY issues the short form birth certificate ignoring the fact that others are in possession of the long form, including the Nordyke twins. How is this possible?

            2) Worshipers state that obama obtained his short form birth certificate in 2008 in response to demands. What they don't say is there is a stamp on the back that bleeds through showing 2007. Which is the truth?

            3) Worshipers claim that three officials from Hawaii verified that the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in their files. What was really said was 'the information matches'. These are two totally different legal definitions and don't even mean the same.

            4) Worshipers claim there were no regulations at the Social Security Department regarding the issue of social security numbers in 1961. All one needs to do is check with social security records for the facts.

            5) Worshipers claim that it's normal for more than one person to be associated with a social security number. Rational people know this as identity theft.

            6) Worshipers claim that Zullo and Sheriff Arpaio are liars. They don't have evidence the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama is a fake. To believe this, you have to ignore the large amount of evidence available.

            7) Worshipers claim that all court cases involving obama's birth certificate have been dismissed for lack of evidence. When asked, defenders can not produce one case where evidence has been reviewed. They like to ignore the cases were actually dismissed on the claim for lack of standing. Never has the evidence been allowed to be presented. What are they scared of?

            8) Worshipers claim it was a low level copy girl who made a mistake and wrote the author's bio stating he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii on obama's books. What they don't say is the author must approve the bio and it went unchecked for decades.

            9) Worshipers claim OCR is responsible for the many layers associated with the PDF obama birth certificate posted on wh.gov. They still try to use this excuse even though many Obama defenders have conceded that OCR is not a factor and admit that OCR was never applied to the PDF file.

            10) Worshipers claim that Reed Hayes is a liar. Mr. Hayes, an expert forensic document examiner, is only a liar when his evidence shows the birth certificate is fraudulent. He's not a liar when he's working for obama's legal team.

            11) Worshipers claim that only a Hawaiian hospital can register a birth for a birth certificate. To believe this you have to ignore the Hawaii Revised Statute 338.17.8.

            12) Worshipers claim that obama did not post the fraudulent selective service card. Where is the 'real' one then?

            13) Worshipers don't tell you that Gov. Ambercrombie could not find any evidence of a birth certificate on file for obama. Why is that?

            14) Worshipers want you to believe that Stanley Dunham filed for an extension for her passport in 1961 but was not in possession of a valid passport to extend.

            The list goes on and on. The best ones seem to be all the theories and hypothesis that young women just didn't have passports or Dunham was too 'poor' to travel. It's interesting that there is no evidence Stanley Dunham was in Hawaii in 1961 or even pregnant. Not ONE picture exists of this new mother with her ONLY child when she is supposedly surrounded by family and friends.
            Worshipers want you to believe EVERYONE is a liar EXCEPT those defending obama.
            Defenders will look you in the eye and DEMAND you ignore the tons of solid evidence that the documents presented to vet obama are forgeries. It's almost personal for them.
            Why do you suppose they expect everyone else to be just as gullible as they are?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "If Mitt Romney and John McCain were asked to reveal these documents, they would…"

            So you say, but in fact they didn't. And neither did George W. Bush (his transcript was leaked by Yale, but BUSH did not show it) or Bill Clinton or Bush41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon or LBJ or JFK—etc. etc.

            So, why should Obama?

        • Seeks_the_truth says:

          "Birther sites have not told you that that case has nothing to do with Obama’s place of birth or his birth certificate."
          Zullo and Arpaio will be the first to tell you it has everything to do with the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama. That IS what the case is about. The creation of the fraudulent document presented as the birth certificate of barrack obama. NO ONE knows where obama was born. We have yet to see a valid birth certificate. Where he was born is not relevant to the case in the court.
          In the likely case the court will rule in favor of the evidence, obama will be forced to present a valid birth certificate, relinquish the presidency and/or face felony criminal charges.
          When obama started his bid for president, it was required then he be vetted for eligibility. The system failed to properly vet him.

          "Obama’s legal name is Obama, and he never changed it."
          His name was changed. It was changed at least once when he was adopted by his step father Soetoro. Since barrack obama attended school under the name of Barry Soetoro, he did in fact use an alias. That is exactly what an alias is, unless it was his legal name which is what the record shows.

          "For Obama to have been born in a foreign country: "
          These are all just hypotheticals, theories and opinions you have. Facts show that Stanley Dunham had the funds to have a passport and travel abroad at a young age. Facts also show she had the funds to travel extensively throughout America alone at a young age. She also had the funds and ability to move to a foreign country alone and live with a young child. She also had the funds and ability to move back to the States with at least one child which she dumped on her parents.
          She even had the wherewithal to petition foreign countries for her claimed spouses visa's be extended. Very few young single women have this ability, especially during the early 1960's.

          So again, all you have is opinions and theories of which facts and evidence disprove as plausible.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Zullo and Arpaio will be the first to tell you it has everything to do with the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama."

            Then they are mistaken or lying. The case in Alabama has to do only with whether or not the Alabama secretary of state has the legal requirement to vet the eligibility of presidential candidates. That is all. It is not about Obama's place of birth. IF the Alabama court found for the birther side, which is unlikely because the Alabama secretary of state (a Republican) says that there is nothing in the law that requires it, then the court would do nothing more than to order the secretary of state to do the vetting in FUTURE elections.

            Re: ". We have yet to see a valid birth certificate. "

            Answer: We have seen both a valid short form birth certificate (the official birth certificate of Hawaii), and a valid long form. We know that they are valid because the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated repeatedly that they checked them against the copies in the files and that they sent them to Obama and that ALL the facts on the copy that the White House put online are EXACTLY THE SAME—that they "match" (and that is the word that they used)—the fact on the copy that they sent to him. And Obama's birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the papers), and by the teacher who wrote home.

            Re: " Facts show that Stanley Dunham had the funds to have a passport and travel abroad at a young age."

            Answer: There are NO facts showing that whatever. She had enough money to go to the University of Washington and to rent an apartment there. But for her to have gone overseas meant that she would have had to have enough money to go to the University of Washington and rent an apartment AND blow thousands of dollars on an overseas trip in the last few months of pregnancy AND take the trip ALONE—when that would run the risk of stillbirth and was unnecessary since there were good hospitals in Hawaii. It is LOONY to think that she took that trip, and even more loony to think that there is a reasonable possibility that she BOTH took the trip and that the birth certificate is forged and the officials of BOTH parties are lying, and the index data and the birth notices are forged, and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley (and his name was really Stanley) lied about writing home after hearing that a child was born to a woman named Stanley IN HAWAII.

            Re: "His name was changed. It was changed at least once when he was adopted by his step father Soetoro. "

            Answer: There is no evidence that he was adopted, and there is no evidence that he changed his name legally. Both require the action of a DISTRICT COURT in Indonesia, and there are no court papers showing that either happened. Obama used his step-father's name when he was in Indonesia, but was not adopted and his name was never legally changed.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Then they are mistaken or lying."
            The evidence says otherwise.

            "We have seen both a valid short form birth certificate (the official birth certificate of Hawaii), and a valid long form."
            I'm sure that's what YOU want to believe but the EVIDENCE proves otherwise. Again, we have YET to see a valid birth certificate, short or long form, for barrack obama.

            "There are NO facts showing that whatever"
            Stanley Dunham traveled the world at a young age. She OBVIOUSLY had the funds to do so. Trying to deny this is hilarious.

            "There is no evidence that he was adopted,"
            By his own mouth did he admit he was adopted by Soetoro. Even moochelle stated such.
            “African Press International is supposed to support Africans and African-American view,” she reportedly said. “It is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. THERE IS NO SHAME IN BEING ADOPTED BY A STEPFATHER. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of MY HUSBAND'S ADOPTION BY HIS STEPFATHER."

            Add to this the regulations of non-Indonesian citizens, Americans especially, to attend their public schools it makes his adoption very apparent.

            “It is extremely rare that non-Indonesians go to Indonesian public school,” Liperty Marpaum said. He is a staff member of the department of Law & Labor (Hukum & Pegawaian), which handles education policies for the Indonesian government. Foreigners must apply and ask permission for the department of education before they may enroll and even must give a copy of their passport and reasons for wanting to go to school in the country. Most of the foreigners, he said, are Asians—Filipinos, Thai, and the like, not Europeans.
            And Americans? “No. All of the Americans go to international school.”

            Indonesia is not like America. You can't just claim what ever you wish. The Indonesian government DEMANDS evidence.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Again, we have YET to see a valid birth certificate, short or long form, for barrack obama. "

            Obama has shown both his Hawaii short-form BC (the Certification of Live Birth, COLB, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year), and he has shown his long form Hawaii BC. And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and that all the facts, repeat ALL the facts are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as what they sent to him. And Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, where Obama's birth notice was published, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

            Re: ""Stanley Dunham traveled the world at a young age. She OBVIOUSLY had the funds to do so. Trying to deny this is hilarious. "

            Answer: There is no evidence whatever that Stanley Ann Dunham traveled outside of the USA before she moved to Indonesia with her second husband in 1967. She had enough money to take the trip to Seattle to attend the University of Washington and to rent an apartment when she was there. There is no evidence that she had enough money to take a trip from Hawaii to a foreign country AND to do both of them, and the notion that if she had the money (which she didn't) that she would spend it on a trip abroad when she was late in pregnancy (at the risk of stillbirth) ALONE is truly loony.

            Re: "By his own mouth did he admit he was adopted by Soetoro. Even moochelle stated such. "

            Answer: Neither said any such thing. API is a totally unreliable source that claimed at one time that they had an interview with Michelle in which she said racist things about white people—but never published it. The API claim is not evidence. There is NO evidence, and there would be if he were adopted because adoption in Indonesia requires the ACTION OF A DISTRICT COURT, and there have never been such court papers show. Moreover, Soetoro had other blood children after the divorce from Obama's mother, and there is no evidence that any of them ever addressed Obama as "brother." Only as their former step-brother.

            Re: "Add to this the regulations of non-Indonesian citizens, Americans especially, to attend their public schools it makes his adoption very apparent. "

            Answer: The Indonesian Embassy says that there are no such regulations.

            Re: "Foreigners must apply and ask permission for the department of education before they may enroll and even must give a copy of their passport and reasons for wanting to go to school in the country. Most of the foreigners, he said, are Asians—Filipinos, Thai, and the like, not Europeans. "

            According to the Indonesian Embassy there were AMERICANS attending Indonesian public schools in the late 1960s, which is when Obama attended. And they say that it was NOT required for the child to become an Indonesian citizen in order to attend. You can check for yourself by calling.

            Phone (202) 775 – 5200;

            Re: "The Indonesian government DEMANDS evidence. "

            And the Indonesian government says that Obama was NEVER A CITIZEN OF INDONESIA, which you (or anyone) can check by calling the above number and asking for the press officer.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "Obama has shown both his Hawaii short-form BC (the Certification of Live Birth, COLB, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii"
            We have been presented with a fraudulent document. No matter how much you want, it doesn't change the fact that both the short and long form birth certificate are fake.

            "Neither said any such thing."
            Of course. Back to your original opinion that EVERYONE BUT obama worshipers are liars.
            The evidence has been presented. Either show solid evidence to the contrary or accept the facts. An OPINION is not evidence.

            "The Indonesian Embassy says that there are no such regulations."
            The one responsible for these regulations stated there was and also gave proof. Calling him a liar does nothing but show your bias.
            Again, opinion does not negate facts.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "We have been presented with a fraudulent document."

            NO, it is not fraudulent. Birthers simply keep on saying it, one of their standard lies.

            Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

            One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

            Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

            And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

            Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

            Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

            John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

            Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

            Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

            Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

            And it is irrational (to say the very least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

            Also, the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "NO, it is not fraudulent"
            You keep repeating this lie but the birth certificate is fraudulent. There is overwhelming evidence. There are many experts that have reviewed the birth certificate and found it to be an 'extremely bad fake'. Even the ex-CIA Operative Dr. Jim Garrow has confirmed it to be a fake.
            Even the numbers on the short form birth certificate is incorrect showing it to be a questionable document.
            When expert forensic document examiners like Reed Hayes, Douglas Vogt, Paul Ivey, and most other experts state the birth certificate is fake, all you hear from the defenders is "He's a liar".

            As Mr. Hayes stated: “..based on my observations and findings, it is clear that the Certificate of Live Birth I examined is not a scan of an original paper birth certificate, but a digitally manufactured document created by utilizing material from various sources.”
            “In over 20 years of examining documentation of various types, I have never seen a document that is so seriously questionable in so many respects. In my opinion, the birth certificate is entirely fabricated,” http://www.storyleak.com/obama-birth-certificate-

            Obot sheeple have NO experts that state the birth certificate is valid. They have tried to claim ones like Jean-Claude Tremblay has stated it was valid but he made it VERY CLEAR he was misquoted. That he NEVER said anything of the sort. http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/

            Worshipers cherry pick quotes from Ivan Zatkovich but he has made it VERY CLEAR he believes the birth certificate to be fraudulent. To fully quote Mr. Zatkovich:
            He confirmed that the multiple layers of the PDF document are anomalous.
            “When a paper document is scanned on a scanner and saved as a PDF file it normally contains only a single layer of graphical information. The PDF that appears on the White House website however, contains multiple layers of graphic information. Multiple layers usually appear in a document like this when it is being edited or modified in some fashion.
            “It is possible to take a single layer PDF and inadvertently create multiple layers, without changing the image in any fashion. But that does not appear to be the case here. The multiple layers in the PDF document are a result of changes made to the image,” his report said." http://www.wnd.com/2011/05/293421/#zxFRlHazH95P84

            You see, defenders of obama are so desperate to protect their messiah, they must twist words and phrases in an attempt to support their agenda.
            There is no doubt the birth certificate is fake. All experts agree as does the forensic evidence.
            All the obot sheeple have are theories and hypothesis. None of which are even remotely close to facts.
            Again, EVERYONE is a liar EXCEPT those defending obama.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "You keep repeating this lie but the birth certificate is fraudulent. There is overwhelming evidence."

            It is YOU who keep repeating the above LIE. The birth certificate is not fraudulent.
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh

            (And that explains the layers and the pixillation.)

            Only birther “experts” have called Obama’s birth certificate forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

            One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

            Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

            And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

            Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

            Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

            John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

            Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

            (Notice that the above quoted a lot of experts other than Tremblay, and that none of the birther sites has ever quoted even one of them, much less showed that what they said was false.

            Re: "You see, defenders of obama are so desperate to protect their messiah, they must twist words and phrases…"

            Answer: It is the birther sites that have lied repeatedly, like the lie that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya, when the tape recording shows that she said that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII (birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording just before she was asked where he was born [I wonder why they did that???]—her answer to the question was "in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time," but birther sites simply did not quote her).

          • smrstrauss says:

            Here are more classic birther lies:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            (8) Birther sites said that Obama spent “millions” on hiding his birth certificate. But Obama showed his birth certificate and did not spend a cent on hiding anything. And in fact, as birther sites did not tell their readers, there wasn’t even one lawsuit for Obama’s birth certificate or for records, not one. There were lawsuits to keep Obama off of ballots, but NO lawsuits for his birth certificate or records of any kind. Why do you suppose that birther sites implied that there were lawsuits for Obama's BC—when there weren't ANY???

            (9) Birther sites said that Obama’s records are “sealed,” but they are not sealed. They are covered under the ordinary state and federal privacy laws, and Mitt Romney and John McCain and previous presidents did not release similar records either.

            And the claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged (which would be a nutty thing to do since the facts on it are EXACTLY the same as on the copy that was sent to him, as the officials of both parties in Hawaii have stated in writing), is a similar blatant LIE. It has the same motive behind it as the lies above. PDF uses layers normally, and the more complex the document (and a document on security paper that has typewritten text and handwritten text and printed text) is always a complex document, the more layers that PDF shows.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            If you wish to ignore the evidence, have at it. Your problem is you can't change it.
            It is fact that both the long and short form birth certificates presented as that of barrack obama is fraudulent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yerPzQ4doyU&li
            Unfortunately for you, NO ONE has disproved the evidence. On top of this, most experts agree there is no doubt they are fake.
            Your theories and opinions do not trump the facts.

            The obot sheeple sites don't tell you complete facts. They cherry pick single sentences. They also don't tell you they have YET to disprove the evidence proving the birth certificate is fake. Sheeple sites love opinions and theories. That's because they can't refute the evidence.

            Still cherry picking sentences out of quotes.
            I notice you seem to forget to post the rest of Ivan Zatkovich's testimony you try to quote. Let me help you out:
            He confirmed that the multiple layers of the PDF document are anomalous.
            “When a paper document is scanned on a scanner and saved as a PDF file it normally contains only a single layer of graphical information. The PDF that appears on the White House website however, contains multiple layers of graphic information. Multiple layers usually appear in a document like this when it is being edited or modified in some fashion.
            “It is possible to take a single layer PDF and inadvertently create multiple layers, without changing the image in any fashion. But that does not appear to be the case here. The multiple layers in the PDF document are a result of changes made to the image,” his report said."
            Again, the link to the interview at WND you keep mentioning: http://www.wnd.com/2011/05/293421/#zxFRlHazH95P84

            So now Trembley is a side note? Interesting.
            Glad to know that Reed Hayes is considered a 'birther'. It's also good to know that obama would have a 'birther' defending his birth certificate.

            As you can see, I've proven your experts did NOT state the birth certificate is real.

            Re: "It is the birther sites that have lied repeatedly, like the lie that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya,"

            It's the obot sheeple that are the liars. Just look above where I prove YOU lied. It's also interesting that the ONLY translator that contradicts obama's grandmother is the one paid for by obama's supporters.
            I also suggest you actually LISTEN to the interview. Grandma was NOT asked if obama was BORN in Hawaii OR Kenya. She was asked was she PRESENT when he was born in Kenya. She emphatically said "YES, Yes she was!"
            Quite hard to misunderstand that question.
            Listen for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

            Just more misquotes and twisting of facts to defend your messiah. Rather sad when you must misquote, omit comments and twist statements to hide the facts. Otherwise, you will be seen as the liar you are.

            Do you know how to pronounce "Hawaii" in the grandmothers native tongue of Luo? Once you find out, you will realize to say 'Hawaii' in Luo is just as clear as in English.
            Before continuing with this lie, I HIGHLY SUGGEST you look it up and change your lie accordingly.

            Proved you lied on experts, the birth certificate an even obama's grandmother.
            You need to get out more.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Do you know how to pronounce "Hawaii" in the grandmothers native tongue of Luo? Once you find out, you will realize to say 'Hawaii' in Luo is just as clear as in English.
            Before continuing with this lie, I HIGHLY SUGGEST you look it up and change your lie accordingly. "

            Yes, that is what the Grandmother said, that Obama was born in HAWAII. (Birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording just before she was asked here he was born.)

            Transcript begins:

            MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

            [Big discussion. Questions. Male voices only]

            OGOMBE (The translator, and a cousin): No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

            MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

            OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

            MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born. (6:13 on tape)

            [At this point Ogombe asks a question to the grandmother and you can hear her voice. I think it says Hawaii; you may say that it is hard to hear. But you can hear something in a woman’s voice.]

            OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

            Note that Ogombe did not know before he asked her where Obama was born. He asks the question, she replies. He then says clearly Hawaii and repeats it.

            Ogombe then repeats that she was in Kenya when he was born and that he (Obama) was in Hawaii.

            Transcript ends.

            Obama has shown both his Hawaii short-form BC (the Certification of Live Birth, COLB, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year), and he has shown his long form Hawaii BC. And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and that all the facts, repeat ALL the facts are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as what they sent to him. And Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, where Obama's birth notice was published, and in 1961 the DOH only did so for births IN Hawaii).

            The evidence for Obama being born in Hawaii is:

            (1) the two Hawaii birth certificates (of which the first, the short form, is the official birth certificate, used by thousands of people to get their passports every year);

            (2) the repeated confirmations of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor;

            (3) the public Index Data file;

            (4) the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961, and which at the time sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii);

            (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley;

            (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed that Obama was born there now—twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them);

            (7) no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961;

            (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time;

            (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either);

            (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII;

            Obama's grandmother never said that Obama was born in Kenya, and the translation is provided by the relative who did the translating in the telephone call. The same relative who was used by the birther sites until they cut off the telephone call just before she was asked where he was born—I wonder why they cut off the tape recording just BEFORE she was asked where he was born?

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            You misunderstood. I'm talking about the interview with SARAH OBAMA, NOT the translator Ogombe interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

            Transcript is on the screen as the interview progresses.
            At the 4:29 mark:
            Ron McRae: Amen, I am so thankful. Could I ask her, uh, about his, uh, his actual birthplace? I would like to see his actual birthplace when I, when I come to Kenya in December. Uh, was she present when he was, WAS SHE PRESENT WHEN HE WAS BORN IN KENYA?

            Translator to Sarah Obama: Alikuma zalima obama (unintelligible)

            Kweli Shuhubia: He is asking her, he wants to know something was ah SHE PRESENT WHEN HE WAS BORN?

            Translator: Yes. She says "YES SHE WAS! She WAS present when obama was born."

            Ron McRae: Okay.

            I have provided actual, tangible evidence of the interview where people can HEAR what was said. Can you offer the same?

            Add to this that there were two translators present on that phone interview. One was a step grandson of Sarah, and the other was the National Evangelist Kweli Shuhubia. His sworn affidavit has been submitted to the United States Supreme Court as well as was that of Ron McRae. Can't ignore the other witnesses that were present during that conversation, including police officers and soldiers, ALL ON THE RECORD.

            To quote from a letter written by Ron McRae, the interviewer:
            "The question that I asked Sarah, was repeated to her twice, and both times she adamantly answered very proudly that yes she was present in Mombassa, Kenya when Barack Obama was born. Upon Sarah’s two admissions to having been present when Barach Obama was born in Kenya, her step grandson realizes the seriousness of his grandmother’s response and immediately begins to respond to the contrary, while moving his hand toward his grandmother’s mouth to silence her from saying anything further, while he tries to answer my pointed questions himself and correct what his grandmother has revealed. You see Mr. Farley, we have witnesses that were present during that conversation, including police officers and soldiers. All of my subsequent questions concerning Obama’s birth were not translated to Sarah, but the step grandson insisted on replying immediately to me himself in English, while continuing to move his hand toward Sarah’s mouth motioning her to be quite."
            http://www.politifact.com/letter-from-bishop-ron-

            Where is the evidence that Sarah Obama stated obama was born in Hawaii? SARAH Obama. NOT the translator answering. Why is it defenders REFUSE to produce the actual recording backing what they claim? WHERE IS THIS RECORDING of SARAH making these statements?

            Why did worshipers REFUSE to translate or allow Sarah Obama to answer any more questions after this revelation?
            Sarah Obama was CLEARLY asked if she was present when Barack Obama was born in Kenya. To that question she CLEARLY responded twice, that Barack Obama was born in Mombassa, Kenya and that she was present when he was born.

            I wonder why defenders START their transcript AFTER Sarah Obama last ANSWERS?
            Where IS THE INTERVIEW with SARAH OBAMA that this is about? Why do worshipers REFUSE to use the interview with SARAH? Could it be because she told the TRUTH? That he WAS born in Kenya?
            Must be.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            1) The two birth certificates posted as that of barrack obama have been PROVED to be FAKE.

            2) Gov. Ambercrombie stated he could NOT find ANY evidence in the Hawaiian files of a birth certificate for obama. There is also the fact it was claimed obama was born at TWO DIFFERENT hospitals. http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/103306/ Must be hard to keep the lies straight.

            3) + 4) ANYONE can register a birth. You did NOT have to born in Hawaii. Newspaper articles are NOT legal for identification. http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/arpaio-obama-probe-fin

            5) NO ONE remembers the Dunhams living in Hawaii. http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105341/

            6) Which hospital do they now claim obama was born in? Even according the the left leaning Snopes, he was born in a different hospital than others claim. http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/103306/

            7) Stanley Dunham applied for an EXTENSION of her passport in 1968. Feel free to look at the ACTUAL documents and see the truth for yourself. http://www.scribd.com/doc/35163631/strunk-v-dept-

            8) If it was so 'rare' why DID Stanley Dunham HAVE a passport?

            9) Defenders denounce as 'liars' the Kenyan government officials that state obama WAS born in Kenya. EVERYONE EXCEPT those that defend obama are liars. How convenient. http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/139481/

            10) Worshipers LIE about Indonesia and obama's nationality. According to Indonesia LAW, when a man married a woman with children, the woman’s children become Indonesian NATIONALS, as well. Liperty Marpaum, staff member of the department of Law & Labor (Hukum & Pegawaian) which handles education policies for the Indonesian government, "Foreigners must apply and ask permission for the department of education before they may enroll and even must give a copy of their passport and reasons for wanting to go to school in the country. Most of the foreigners, he said, are Asians—Filipinos, Thai, and the like, not Europeans. And Americans? “No. All of the Americans go to international school.”

            11) Defenders LIE about the grandmother interview. Defenders like to use an interview with a TRANSLATOR as evidence of what Sarah Obama stated. Sarah Obama said YES she was when she was asked if she was present when obama was born in Kenya. See above transcripts and video.
            Why do defenders use the TRANSLATOR'S interview and NOT the interview with the GRANDMOTHER???
            They ALWAYS start the transcripts AFTER they REFUSE to allow the grandmother to continue to answer questions.
            SARAH OBAMA NEVER said obama was born in Hawaii. It was the TRANSLATOR that said that.
            I wonder why???

            There is also the FAKE social security number, the FAKE draft card, the application as a FOREIGN student and quite a bit more of other evidence of fraud and deception.
            Why do obot sheeple want you to ignore the facts and believe their OPINIONS?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "Unfortunately for you, NO ONE has disproved the evidence. "
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh
            http://rcradioblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/ahnee

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            As I said, NO ONE has disproved the evidence.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/obama-birth-certificat

          • smrstrauss says:

            Continuing:

            Re: "Of course. Back to your original opinion that EVERYONE BUT obama worshipers are liars. "

            Not everyone is a liar, but birthers certainly are liars. Here are some of their lies:

            (1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama—so who do you think forged it? (Okay, I'll make it easy—the guy who posted it.)

            (2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia—but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

            (3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII—why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

            (4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

            (6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961—or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

            (7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"—but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

            Re: "The one responsible for these regulations stated there was and also gave proof. Calling him a liar does nothing but show your bias."

            Baloney. In this case YOU are lying. NO Indonesian official has ever said that there were regulations barring foreigners from attending Indonesian schools. That is just a lie. Want to convince people that you are not lying—show a link that actually quotes an Indonesian official (after all, you said "the one responsible said…").

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Obot sheeple try really hard to defend their messiah.

            1) Worshipers state that Hawaii ONLY issues the short form birth certificate
            ignoring the fact that others are in possession of the long form, including the Nordyke twins. How is this possible?

            2) Worshipers state that obama obtained his short form birth certificate in 2008 in response to demands. What they don't say is there is a stamp on the back that bleeds through showing 2007. Which is the truth?

            3) Worshipers claim that three officials from Hawaii verified that the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in their files. What was really said was 'the information matches'. These are two totally different legal definitions and don't even mean the same.

            4) Worshipers claim there were no regulations at the Social Security Department regarding the issue of social security numbers in 1961. All one needs to do is check with social security records for the facts.

            5) Worshipers claim that it's normal for more than one person to be associated with a social security number. Rational people know this as identity theft.

            6) Worshipers claim that Zullo and Sheriff Arpaio are liars. They don't have evidence the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama is a fake. To believe this, you have to ignore the large amount of evidence available.

            7) Worshipers claim that all court cases involving obama's birth certificate have been dismissed for lack of evidence. When asked, defenders can not produce one case where evidence has been reviewed. They like to ignore the cases were actually dismissed on the claim for lack of standing. Never has the evidence been allowed to be presented. What are they scared of?

            8) Worshipers claim it was a low level copy girl who made a mistake and wrote the author's bio stating he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii on obama's books. What they don't say is the author must approve the bio and it went unchecked for decades.

            9) Worshipers claim OCR is responsible for the many layers associated with the PDF obama birth certificate posted on wh.gov. They still try to use this excuse even though many Obama defenders have conceded that OCR is not a factor and admit that OCR was never applied to the PDF file.

            10) Worshipers claim that Reed Hayes is a liar. Mr. Hayes, an expert forensic document examiner, is only a liar when his evidence shows the birth certificate is fraudulent. He's not a liar when he's working for obama's legal team.

            11) Worshipers claim that only a Hawaiian hospital can register a birth for a birth certificate. To believe this you have to ignore the Hawaii Revised Statute 338.17.8.

            12) Worshipers claim that obama did not post the fraudulent selective service card. Where is the 'real' one then?

            13) Worshipers don't tell you that Gov. Ambercrombie could not find any evidence of a birth certificate on file for obama. Why is that?

            14) Worshipers want you to believe that Stanley Dunham filed for an extension for her passport in 1961 but was not in possession of a valid passport to extend.

            The list goes on and on. The best ones seem to be all the theories and hypothesis that young women just didn't have passports or Dunham was too 'poor' to travel. It's interesting that there is no evidence Stanley Dunham was in Hawaii in 1961 or even pregnant. Not ONE picture exists of this new mother with her ONLY child when she is supposedly surrounded by family and friends.
            Worshipers want you to believe EVERYONE is a liar EXCEPT those defending obama.
            Defenders will look you in the eye and DEMAND you ignore the tons of solid evidence that the documents presented to vet obama are forgeries. It's almost personal for them.
            Why do you suppose they expect everyone else to be just as gullible as they are?

            "Baloney. In this case YOU are lying."
            Again, it is YOU that refuses to accept the facts.

            "Nevertheless, my Indonesian-born translator and I were able to speak with several government officials about the policy governing adoptions and foreign nationals attending public school. Was it possible that Obama could have gotten into Indonesian public schools without claiming to be an Indonesian citizen?

            “It is extremely rare that non-Indonesians go to Indonesian public school,” Liperty Marpaum told us. He is a staff member of the department of Law & Labor (Hukum & Pegawaian), which handles education policies for the Indonesian government. Foreigners must apply and ask permission for the department of education before they may enroll and even must give a copy of their passport and reasons for wanting to go to school in the country. Most of the foreigners, he said, are Asians—Filipinos, Thai, and the like, not Europeans. And Americans? “No. All of the Americans go to international school.”

      • Seeks_the_truth says:

        "The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error"
        While errors do occur, it would have been caught before leaving the Social Security Department. To understand this, you have to understand how social security numbers are issued. The number is issued, logged and printed on your card, with your address, at the same time. The mailing address would have been printed with the 'incorrect' zip code. If it did make it into the mail system, it would have been returned due to invalid mailing address. When it was realized the card never appeared, a call would be made. The mistake would then be corrected and a correct social security number then issued.
        The facts doesn't support your theory.

        "Obama was never an Indonesian citizen"
        Why would his mother list him as an Indonesia citizen on school records then? I'm sure the school was offered evidence of this claim. Just as they would have records of obama's adoption by his step father. Evidence has surfaced, from obama's own account, that show his dates and ages don't match up with what he claims.
        I'm sure if you call America's embassy, they will confirm an American's citizenship. Better yet, ask one of the ones who claim obama's birth certificate is valid. Doesn't change tangible evidence.

        "Obama’s mother scribbled down that word on a passport application"
        Exactly, his mother did. I'm sure a mother knows what her son's name is. This was also on a passport extension application. That is to extend a passport you have argued relentlessly previously she never held.

        "It is perfectly valid, despite being generated from the wrong state"
        A 'perfectly valid' social security number is not registered under two different names as this number verifiability is. That makes it a INVALID social security number that would not pass EVerify for employment.

        "It is valid, but valid or not valid, a SS number is not proof of the place of birth—much less proof of birth in a foreign country."
        But the social security number is invalid. What it does prove is that obama is not in possession of a valid social security number that all Americans MUST possess to be gainfully employed in America.

        "Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama's birth certificate "
        NO ONE has confirmed obama has a valid birth certificate. What has been claimed is there is a record on file for him. NO ONE has confirmed, as repeatedly asked, if the record on file matches that which has been presented nor has it been confirmed he has an original, unaltered record on file.
        The murder of Fuddy is in question. There is video evidence she survived the plane crash that is claimed to have taken her life. Also under question is the results of the autopsy. It is medically IMPOSSIBLE to determine if a person succumbed to a cardiac arrhythmia as was stated on her death certificate. Since there was no history of cardiac issues, it wouldn't even be in question. Until all evidence is revealed, only then will we know as fact she had rescinded her previous approval of the fraudulent birth certificate.

        "Re: “Attorney Orly Taitz issued a recent press release.."
        We have many examples of the obama worshiping media outlets misstating and misquoting many different interviews and statements. Attorney Orly Taitz has been quite frequently misquoted by the media. Retractions are almost nightly.

        • smrstrauss says:

          Re: "While errors do occur, it would have been caught before leaving the Social Security Department. To understand this, you have to understand how social security numbers are issued. The number is issued, logged and printed on your card.."

          Answer: That was not the procedure in 1961. The FACT is that Obama lived in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814—and there is only one digit difference between them, the first digit—and the SS number that was generated was a CT SS number and not a HA SS number.

          Re: "Why would his mother list him as an Indonesia citizen on school records then?

          Answer: She didn't. It was an UNSIGNED form. So, who filled it in? Most likely it was just the clerk at the school who may have had a quota of Indonesian citizens to fill. In any case, the AUTHORITY on who is and who is not an Indonesian citizen is the Indonesian government, and it says that Obama was never an Indonesian citizen. Birthers, naturally, claim that he was an Indonesian citizen based on the UNSIGNED school application, but the Indonesian government is the authority on the matter. You will never be able to prove that Obama was an Indonesian citizen based on an UNSIGNED application and mere speculation—and, guess what, it does not matter. Even if he had become an Indonesian citizen, which he didn't, that has no effect on US citizenship or US Natural Born Citizenship in the slightest. And you will never be able to show that Obama had become an Indonesian citizen based merely on the UNSIGNED application. (However, if you want to use it for proof of something, notice that it says that Obama was BORN IN HONOLULU, HAWAII).

          Re: "Exactly, his mother did. I'm sure a mother knows what her son's name is."

          Answer: THAT is a truly loony comment since it was HER PASSPORT application and not his. He already had his US passport, That is why there is no photo of him in her file, and that is why he had a US passport when he returned from Indonesian to Hawaii to attend school ALONE—so he had to have his own passport, and since there is no evidence that he ever got a US visa—-that had to be a US passport. (And you only get US passports when you prove that you are a US citizen, and the way to do that is to show your birth certificate, which Obama of course had.)

          • smrstrauss says:

            Continuing:

            Re: "A 'perfectly valid' social security number is not registered under two different names as this number verifiability is."

            Answer: What is your EVIDENCE that it is registered in "two different names?" (There is NONE. It is another birther LIE.)
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/12/who-or-why

            Re: "But the social security number is invalid. "

            Answer: No it isn't.

            Re: "NO ONE has confirmed obama has a valid birth certificate. What has been claimed is there is a record on file for him"

            Answer: YOU are terribly out of date. This shows that the officials of Hawaii confirmed that they sent the BC to Obama and that all the facts on it are exactly the same as on what they sent to him—notice the word "MATCH."
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            Re: "here is video evidence she survived the plane crash that is claimed to have taken her life."

            Sure, they all did, but then they all had to swim and she was over 65 and in poor condition.

            Re: "Until all evidence is revealed, only then will we know as fact she had rescinded her previous approval of the fraudulent birth certificate. "

            There isn't a shred of a hint of a rumor of a notion that she was about to change her story and go against the OVERWHELMING evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. On the other hand, birther sites hide the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his birth certificate was confirmed (see link above) repeatedly (I didn't even show all the confirmations) from you. They didn't even show you this:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

            That is only a TINY bit of confirming evidence to the repeated confirmations and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and ONLY the Hawaii DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers) and the school application in Indonesia (which says that Obama was born in Hawaii) and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to A WOMAN NAMED STANLEY, and the fact that it was unlikely, EXTREMELY unlikely, that Obama's mother late in pregnancy (she could not have traveled earlier because of attending college) took a long and expensive and highly risky (the chance of stillbirths were high in those days) ALONE (since WND has proven that Obama's father did not leave the USA in 1961 with a FOI Act request).

            Therefore the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming and the notion that Fuddy was about to say that it wasn't is: (1) not based on any evidence; (2) extremely unlikely; (3) another one of the normal birther LIES, all with the same motives—like the lie that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Kenya, when the tape recording shows that she said that he was born in HAWAII repeatedly.

            "Re: “Attorney Orly Taitz issued a recent press release.."

            Answer: That is not from me. I never quote Orly.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "That was not the procedure in 1961."
            The procedure was even more strict. If an error happened to pass through the SSD, it WOULD
            have been caught by the post office. The address would not have matched. Since ALL mail is sorted by zip code, the card would NOT have made it to the destination. The fact still remains TWO different names are associated with this social security number. Social security numbers are ONLY issued to one person. It is FAR more plausible that the one who DID live in CT and applied is the rightful owner of this number than someone who claims an 'error' happened.

            "She didn't. It was an UNSIGNED form."
            Stanley Dunham DID fill out the form. I suggest you take another look.

            "He already had his US passport"
            And the proof of obama having a passport at such a young age is where? There is no evidence of Barry Soetoro-Obama-Soebarkah ever applying for a passport at that age. What evidence is held is his name on his mothers RENEWAL. Logic dictates that if he held his own passport, there was no reason to place his name on his mothers.

            "What is your EVIDENCE that it is registered in "two different names?" (There is NONE. It is another birther LIE.)"

            All tangible evidence can be found in the following website. Remember just claiming it's a 'lie' or 'fake' without evidence to the contrary isn't acceptable. http://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/br
            This website answers all spins you push to ignore that the social security number being used by obama is in fact stolen.

            "No it isn't."
            Yes it is. Just because you don't accept the facts doesn't negate them. See evidence in above website.

            "YOU are terribly out of date."
            Actually, YOU are 'terribly' out of date. If you claim someone said that they have a MATCH to the birth certificate posted on wh.gov, then send a link to THEIR WRITTEN affidavit to this.
            The website you keep pushing is nothing but OPINIONS and THEORIES. They offer NO evidence.

            "Sure, they all did, but then they all had to swim and she was over 65 and in poor condition."
            You did NOT answer my questions. Explain how they found 'arrythmia' as the cause of death when it is HARD ENOUGH to find in a LIVING heart, among other questions posed. You also need to understand that being 'over 65' means nothing. I have friends still WORKING in their 90's. Right before she was murdered, you claimed she was in GREAT health. SHARP MIND in fact is what you claimed. So NOW she was in 'poor health'? Which is it? Which ever fits the narrative?

            "There isn't a shred of a hint of a rumor of a notion that she was about to change her story and go against the OVERWHELMING evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii."
            So you CLAIM. Where is your evidence? On top of that, where is this OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE that obama was born in Hawaii? I have YET to see it as well as MILLIONS of others. The birth certificate HAS been PROVED to be fake. A newspaper article, while not only NOT proof, has been shown that ANYONE can post it. There is NO PROOF he was born in Hawaii.

            So where is this overwhelming evidence? The WORLD is STILL waiting.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "The procedure was even more strict. If an error happened to pass through the SSD, it WOULD have been caught by the post office. "

            There was no procedure in place for the Post Office to contact the SS Administration in order to fix the incorrect number. More importantly, when they mailed the card and it did not arrive and was sent back, they fixed the address to which the card was sent BUT THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER ON THE CARD—why should they? (Having a CT number is incorrect as far as the place of application is concerned, but it is not illegal or improper to have a CT number instead of a HA number.) They simply sent the same card with the same number out again.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "There was no procedure in place for the Post Office to contact the SS Administration in order to fix the incorrect number."
            In your OPINION, the social security department had NO procedures in place to deal with faulty social security numbers?
            And where is your evidence for this?

            "More importantly, when they mailed the card and it did not arrive and was sent back, they fixed the address to which the card was sent BUT THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER ON THE CARD"

            As a result of the June 1936 decision, the current SSN is composed of three parts:
            •The first three digits are the area number (042)
            •The next two digits are the group number (68)
            •The final four digits are the serial number (4425)

            At the inception of the program, all SSNs were assigned and cards issued based solely on information provided by the applicant. However, in the 1970s, SSA began requiring proof of age, identity, and citizenship.

            May 1978

            All applicants are required to provide evidence of:
            •Age, identity, and U.S. citizenship or lawful alien status for original SSNs; and
            •Identity for replacement cards.

            In-person interviews are required for individuals aged 18 or older applying for original or new SSNs. An individual signing the SS-5 on behalf of another (for example, a parent for his or her child) must establish his or her own identity.

            Now what is your next OPINION or THEORY since you have now been shown wrong?

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "e birth certificate HAS been PROVED to be fake."

            That is simply one of the standard birther LIES—-like the lie that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii. BIrthers are simply lying about Obama's BC being forged the same way, and with the same motive.

            Re: "So NOW she was in 'poor health'? "

            Answer: Any rational person will see that my comment was "in poor condition" not "in poor health."

            Re: "ANYONE can post it."

            Answer: If you are referring to the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which is simply additional confirming evidence to the birth certificates themselves AND the confirmations by the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data AND the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named STANLEY), that is not correct. ONLY the "Health Bureau" (as the DOH of Hawaii was know at the time) could post notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.

            And there isn't a shred of a particle of a glimmer of a hint of a rumor that Fuddy was about to change her story.

            Re: "send a link to THEIR WRITTEN affidavit to this. "

            Answer: There are three (3) WRITTEN legal statements among the documents shown here:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            All three have the headline: Verification of Birth. All three state that the information shown MATCHES the information that was sent.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "That is simply one of the standard birther LIES"
            It's you OPINION that it's a lie. The EVIDENCE PROVES they are fake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yerPzQ4doyU

            "Any rational person will see that my comment was "in poor condition" not "in poor health." "
            Rational people are the ones questioning the death of Fuddy. Rational people see the discrepancies and contradicting evidence in the murder of Fuddy. Rational people also have access to your previous comments and see clearly you contradicting yourself.

            "ONLY the "Health Bureau"… could post notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the newspapers.."
            You have been proven wrong on this subject. You refuse to accept the facts. http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/104678/
            "[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor,.." http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch

            "And there isn't a shred of a particle of a glimmer of a hint of a rumor that Fuddy was about to change her story."
            So you keep claiming. Doesn't make it so.

            "There are three (3) WRITTEN legal statements among the documents shown here:"
            Links to an opinion website is not proof. Link to actual documentation. On top of this, NONE of these 'statements' validated the document. NONE stated, on the record, that the records on file MATCH the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama. http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/07/hawaii-nohttp://www.tpnn.com/2013/12/25/why-couldnt-health
            Even obama's own lawyers admit birth certificate is fake: http://govtslaves.info/obamas-lawyers-officially-http://www.presidentialfield.com/content/hawaii-o

            NO ONE has confirmed that there is a record on file that MATCHES the birth certificate presented as that for barrack obama posted on wh.gov.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "NO ONE has confirmed that there is a record on file that MATCHES the birth certificate presented as that for barrack obama posted on wh.gov. "

            Answer: Three official confirmations show in this state that the FACTS on Obama's birth certificate online match those that were sent to him. (The image is not supposed to match. Remember that the physical copy is on SECURITY PAPER, which is designed to make copies look different from the original.)
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            Once again: There isn't a shred of a particle of a glimmer of a hint of a rumor that Fuddy was about to change her story.

            That remains a fact, and you have not shown a shred of a particle of a glimmer of a hint of a fact that disproves it.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            “Please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.”

            Feel free to show one affirmative answer to this question that was posed to the Hawaii DOH.
            Certifying, “information matches” does not address the central and entirely separate issue of whether a suspicious document is a true copy of an original document.
            Legal terminology you apparently don't understand.
            The ONLY reason officials REFUSE to state that the document MATCHES that on file is because they know it doesn't.

            FACTS show that NOT ONE official has VERIFIED that the birth certificate presented as that of barrack obama is a true copy of the original.

            Again, the FACT remains that it is your OPINION that Fuddy was not going to speak the truth. You only HOPE she wasn't placed on record before her obvious murder.

            The fact remains you have YET to provide one piece of evidence that disputes the solid forensic evidence that shows the birth certificate posted on wh.gov is anything other than fraudulent.
            Your comment about the 'security paper' is hilarious and completely wrong. There's too much to dive into to show how wrong you are. Just know that if it is NOT printed on security paper when issued, it should NOT be on it at any other time.
            Your desperation shows you know it is.

          • smrstrauss says:

            These links provide the FACTS to your opinions:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizen
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-che
            http://arizonaspolitics.blogspot.com/2014/02/brea
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            Here are the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, repeated confirmations (and by the way, the one to the secretary of state of Arizona, a conservative Republican, was ACCEPTED by the secretary of state of Arizona, who then put Obama on the ballot):
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
            http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-ob

            Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed.

            Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican (and a friend of Sarah Palin’s), that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

            Here is the statement of the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after being told of birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, of a child to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961:
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

            Birther sites have not even shown that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961, and it would have been rare for her to have one since so few 18-year-olds did in that year. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 (and she would have had to have traveled late in pregnancy since she was attending college for most of the year) because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birthers hope to convince a few GULLIBLE people to assume that she was on of the few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that Obama's birth certificate is forged AND the officials of BOTH parties are lying about it AND so is the Index Data AND so are the birth notices AND so is the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley, and BTW, Kapionani Hospital has now confirmed Obama was born there–in fact it has done so TWICE (birther sites did not show either of them).

            And BTW, birther sites LIED about the Kenyan grandmother. She never said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii repeatedly. Birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just BEFORE she was asked where he was born (I wonder why they did that??) Her answer to the question where Obama was born was "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." (But birther sites refused to quote her and cut off the tape that included her statement.)

            Re: "Certifying, “information matches” does not address the central and entirely separate issue of whether a suspicious document is a true copy of an original document. "

            Answer: Since the INFORMATION matches, they have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii, which was part of the information. And that is what counts. The claim that Obama's birth certificate is forged with all the information being the same (which they confirmed) is simply nutty. That's why not one member of Congress—including Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Rep. Ron Paul—believes it, nor does Mitt Romney or Huckabee or Santorum or Gingrich or Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or the National Review.

            It is just another standard birther LIE.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Wikipedia is a KNOWN left wing propaganda site. Not a valid resource.
            The obamaconspiracy site has been shown to be nothing but a biased opinion/theory site. Anyone that visits can see this for themselves.

            Here is the actual statute. Read it for yourself. Hopefully you can update those sites you like to take as truth.

            Hawaii Revised Statute 338.17.8.:

            338-17.8 Certificates for children born out of state.

            Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

            Here's a site to read the issue in its entirety. http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/arpaio-obama-probe-fin….

            Your theories has been shown to be wrong. Stanley Dunham was EXTENDING her passport in 1968 which means she had a VALID passport in 1961. http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress….
            So we know she DID have one of these "extremely rare passports". Why would she have to travel? There is NO PROOF that Stanley Dunham was even in the states in 1961.
            There are NO pictures of a pregnant Dunham. NO pictures of the new mother and her FIRST child even though she was supposedly SURROUNDED by family and friends.
            Even Gov. Ambercrombie had to abandon his search for Obama’s birth records because the records Abercrombie expected to find in the Hawaii Department of Health vault were not there. http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/255769/#2YS41vRTQYPYlG….

            It was also EXTREMELY RARE for a White woman to have a bi-racial child. It was EXTREMELY RARE for a White 18 year old to marry a MUCH older already married Black man. It was EXTREMELY RARE for a White 18 year old woman to pose NUDE, ESPECIALLY for a Black man.
            Having a passport and flying on her own doesn't appear to be much of a stretch when you put it in context.

            With the grandmother, with the original and all OTHER translators, they make it clear that she was INSISTENT that her grandchild was born in her home. Only the one claims otherwise.
            But then, only those on the fringe, and obot defenders, grasp at this straw. No one else feels it important.

            The birth certificate has NEVER been verified. Again, it is your ignorance of the law.

            MANY Congressmen have stated they know the birth certificate is a fake. You will be hearing from many very soon. As to why they don't speak out now about it.

            As one Congressman stated:
            “It is unquestionably a forgery. We all know that. But you, with your experience of what the left will do to the reputations of those who challenge it, know that if any of us were to raise this issue we would be subjected to the same hatred, vilification and organized reputational damage that you have had to endure because you challenged them on climate change.”

            Not everyone is as gullible as you are.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "338-17.8 "

            That law was passed in 1982, more than twenty years after Obama's birth, and hence had no effect in 1961 whatever.

            Re "Many congressmen have stated that they know the BC is fake."

            Please list five of them.

            Birthers and two-fers were not able to convince a single member of the US Electoral College to change her or his vote to vote against Obama in either the 2008 or 2012 elections. Obama won 356 electoral votes in the 2008 general election, and 356 electors voted for him. He received 332 votes in the 2012 general election, and 332 electors voted for him. In short, not one single elector changed her or his vote—that is because not one of them believes the nutty birther claim that Obama was born outside of the USA or the loony birther constitutional theory that two citizen parents are required. And ditto for the US Congress, which confirmed Obama’s election UNANIMOUSLY twice, and that included the votes of Rep. Michele Bachmann and Rep. Ron Paul,

            Re: "The birth certificate has NEVER been verified. Again, it is your ignorance of the law. "

            Answer that is simply ANOTHER birther LIE.

            Obama has shown both his Hawaii short-form BC (the Certification of Live Birth, COLB, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people to get their US passports every year), and he has shown his long form Hawaii BC. And the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and that all the facts, repeat ALL the facts are exactly the same, repeat, EXACTLY the same, as what they sent to him. And Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, the "Health Bureau Statistics" section, where Obama's birth notice was published, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

            The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they sent the official short form BC to Obama and the long form BC; (2) and there is a statement from a member of the press that she had seen the physical copy of the long-form BC and felt the seal; and (3) The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that the facts on Obama’s long-form BC—-including the name of the hospital and the doctor—-are EXACTLY the same as the facts on the document in the files.

            Here are some links that confirm those three facts:

            Here is one of the more recent confirmations:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads

            Here is the first confirmation, back when a Republican governor was in office:
            http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

            Here is confirmation that Hawaii sent the long-form BC to Obama:
            http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Relea

            Here is confirmation that Hawaii cannot publish Obama’s BC itself or give it out to the Sheriff (unless he has a court order):
            http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch

            Here is the confirmation sent to the Secretary of State of Arizona (and accepted as valid confirmation by him) NOTICE that it says that the facts MATCH those in the files, that they are exactly the same:
            http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verific&hel

            As you can see, that not only answers all 12 questions that were asked by Bennett, but it says “additionally” that it checked the information in the copy attached and that it matches the document in the files.

            Here is a statement from the member of the press, Savannah Guthrie, that she had felt the seal on Obama’s long form BC:
            https://twitter.com/SavannahGuthrie/status/633738

            And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/20&hel

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

            Here is the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Moreover, it remains nutty to believe that Obama’s relatives were rich enough or dumb enough to send their pregnant daughter to Kenya or to any other country at huge expense and high risk of stillbirth (and Yellow Fever in Kenya), when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

  6. Regarding the main articles' contention that Subud was Obama's father. One small point is that for that to be true, Subud would have had to have been in Honolulu, Hawaii in late 1960 so as to have met and had relations with Obama's mother who was attending college there. And there is no evident that he was EVER in Hawaii.

    • Seeks_the_truth says:

      Don't you mean that Stanley Dunham was registered for college in Hawaii? There is no evidence she regularly attended school in Hawaii but she was the holder of a valid passport.
      The evidence doesn't support your theory.

      • smrstrauss says:

        There is no evidence that she had a passport in 1961—and very very few 18-year-olds did in 1961. She had a passport in 1967 when she went to Indonesia, but there is NO evidence that she had one in 1961. (And, in addition to the chance of her having a passport being LOW, the chance of using it to take a long and expensive trip late in pregnancy at the risk of stillbirth ALONE is EXTREMELY low.)

        • Seeks_the_truth says:

          How do you file for an EXTENSION of a passport if you don't ALREADY hold one?
          OBVIOUSLY, Stanley Dunham was one of these 'very, very few 18 year olds' that DID.
          Making the claim that 'very very few' held a passport is an OPINION. NOT a fact. The FACTS show that MANY DID hold passports.
          You also seem stuck on the idea that she traveled out of country while extremely pregnant. There is NO evidence she was in Hawaii while pregnant.
          Besides, Stanley Dunham had already shown herself to be a 'rebel' and anarchist. She refused to adhere to social standards. We know this because she had a bi-racial child when this was considered taboo and EXTREMELY RARE during the early 1960's. Posing for risqué, nude photos, especially for a Black man, was another EXTREMELY RARE thing for any woman to do, let alone a WHITE woman.
          Your argument about 'rare' occurrences doesn't hold. Stanley Dunham had shown REPEATEDLY to NOT live by society standards.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "How do you file for an EXTENSION of a passport if you don't ALREADY hold one? "

            She got her first passport in 1965, which is not 1961.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Re: "There is NO evidence she was in Hawaii while pregnant. "

            The evidence that she was in Hawaii when she was pregnant is the birth certificate that shows that she delivered her son at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, and that birth certificate had been confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii) and by the teacher who wrote home.

            In addition to all of that Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed twice—but birther sites have not shown either of them. Here is one of the two:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

            Here is a link to most (though hardly all) of the documents that confirm that Obama’s BC was sent to him and that all the facts on the published copy are the same as on what was sent:
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/heres-the-

            (And that includes THREE Verifications of Obama's long form birth certificate, all of which state that the facts on the copy the White House put online MATCH the facts on the birth certificate that they sent to him.)

            And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:
            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/0

            Here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20110722055908/http://

            Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
            http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabi

            (And as you can see the section of the paper is called "Health Bureau Statistics". Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            Here is the Index Data file:
            http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "The evidence that she was in Hawaii when she was pregnant is the birth certificate that shows that she delivered her son at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii,"

            These links provide the facts to your opinions: http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/104678/ http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch

            Are you now trying to argue these Hawaiian regulations never existed?

            Now since your opinions and theories have been shown to be exactly that, what EVIDENCE do you have that Stanley Dunham was pregnant in Hawaii?
            Don't forget the discrepancies: http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105341/

          • smrstrauss says:

            These links provide the FACTS to your opinions:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizen
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-che
            http://arizonaspolitics.blogspot.com/2014/02/brea
            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogger-sh
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780/con

            The links above Seeks_the-truth's CLAIMS show the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, and in 1961 it sent out birth notices ONLY for children born in Hawaii). Birther sites have not even shown that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961, and it would have been rare for her to have one since so few 18-year-olds did in that year. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in 1961 (and she would have had to have traveled late in pregnancy since she was attending college for most of the year) because of the risk of stillbirths. Yet birthers hope to convince a few GULLIBLE people to assume that she was on of the few 18-year-olds to have a passport and one of the EXTREMELY few women to travel abroad late in pregnancy, and that Obama's birth certificate is forged AND the officials of BOTH parties are lying about it AND so is the Index Data AND so are the birth notices AND so is the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley, and BTW, Kapionani Hospital has now confirmed Obama was born there–in fact it has done so TWICE (birther sites did not show either of them).

            And BTW, birther sites LIED about the Kenyan grandmother. She never said that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii repeatedly. Birther sites simply did not quote her and cut off the tape recording on their sites just BEFORE she was asked where he was born (I wonder why they did that??) Her answer to the question where Obama was born was "In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." (But birther sites refused to quote her and cut off the tape that included her statement.)

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Wikipedia is a KNOWN left wing propaganda site. Not a valid resource.
            The obamaconspiracy site has been shown to be nothing but a biased opinion/theory site. Anyone that visits can see this for themselves.

            Here is the actual statute. Read it for yourself. Hopefully you can update those sites you like to take as truth.

            Hawaii Revised Statute 338.17.8.:

            338-17.8 Certificates for children born out of state.

            Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

            Here's a site to read the issue in its entirety. http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/arpaio-obama-probe-fin

            Your theories has been shown to be wrong. Stanley Dunham was EXTENDING her passport in 1968 which means she had a VALID passport in 1961. http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress
            So we know she DID have one of these "extremely rare passports". Why would she have to travel? There is NO PROOF that Stanley Dunham was even in the states in 1961.
            There are NO pictures of a pregnant Dunham. NO pictures of the new mother and her FIRST child even though she was supposedly SURROUNDED by family and friends.
            Even Gov. Ambercrombie had to abandon his search for Obama’s birth records because the records Abercrombie expected to find in the Hawaii Department of Health vault were not there. http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/255769/#2YS41vRTQYPYlG

            It was also EXTREMELY RARE for a White woman to have a bi-racial child. It was EXTREMELY RARE for a White 18 year old to marry a MUCH older already married Black man. It was EXTREMELY RARE for a White 18 year old woman to pose NUDE, ESPECIALLY for a Black man.
            Having a passport and flying on her own doesn't appear to be much of a stretch when you put it in context.

            With the grandmother, with the original and all OTHER translators, they make it clear that she was INSISTENT that her grandchild was born in her home. Only the one claims otherwise.
            But then, only those on the fringe, and obot defenders, grasp at this straw. No one else feels it important.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "She got her first passport in 1965, which is not 1961."
            So explain why she was applying for a passport EXTENSION in 1961. Should be easy enough to do.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Answer: She wasn't applying for a passport EXTENSION. In 1965 she was applying for her her first passport. The "extension" claim is simply another birther lie.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Answer: The document states it's for an extension. Either you can't read or you don't understand the word extension.
            Feel free to review the documents yourself. http://www.scribd.com/doc/35163631/strunk-v-dept-

          • With some of her grammar and spelling mistakes, I'm thinking English isn't even her first language. With the way she argues, she probably shares the same religious affiliation as Obama. It would explain a great many things.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Obviously a 'great' product of our education system!
            Do you really think she even knows what a spell checker is, let alone use it?

            While sifting through some old sites, I found some of her first comments. For the most part, all she has done is cut and past for at least 4 years now. Not even updating with new information!
            What a sad, pathetic, lonely life she must have if all she does is pass the obama propaganda from site to site.

    • C'mon. You couldn't know that for certain. You weren't there. You're wasting your own time, here. Although, you have helped the investigation, so I'll give you points there. Thanks for the fuel. Thank your boss and friends for me, too. You and your O-bot friends were partly detrimental to supplying leads to the investigation. Such unwitting friendly fire. Who knew that when you were being called a 'useful idiot' that it turned out to be 'useful' in another way. So, thank you for that. If I'm allowed, I'll let Obama know you betrayed him…accidentally, but still…

      • smrstrauss says:

        There is NO evidence that Subud was in Hawaii. IF there were evidence that he was in Hawaii, it is rational to speculate that he was Obama's father. If there is no evidence that he was in Hawaii—and there isn't any—then the chance that he was in Hawaii is exactly the same as the two billion people in the world at that time who lived outside the USA and of whom 99.999% never visited the USA.

        • Gee, I didn't realize what an expert you were an all things Obama. You must have the documents right there on your desk or have a psychic connection to Obama and all the people connected to this case, living and dead. Maybe I should be more like you and take things at face value alone. Maybe I could gain some kind of clairvoyance like you seem to have. I mean, I wish I had all the irrefutable answers you seem to have. I could BS anybody with a talent like that and it wouldn't be BS because I told them it wasn't. What truly amazes me is how you are in any position to declare what is and isn't evidence. Like, you're a Judge or something. What amazes me even further is how you can make your conclusions so fast without even looking into any background. Maybe you have a time machine. That's another possibility that would explain how you know so much in such great detail. You should be a star witness that could exonerate Obama on all counts because you have ALL the answers. Although, that begs the question: why haven't you done this officially when it could have counted? Say, five years ago? Where were you when Obama needed you to clear his name? You could have shut up or put Zullo behind bars by now. Don't you find it strange that your bullet proof information hasn't inspired any action to stop the investigation? How odd. You could have put your super powers to some use and this issue would be dead. But it isn't. It's still going forward, isn't it? But, you say it's all a bluff. Well, one doesn't get far on a bluff. The curtain falls at some point and the people behind it will be in a world of trouble. So, if Arpaio and Zullo are just bluffing all this time, how are they getting so far? Calling their bluff doesn't appear to be working. You should easily be able to answer that because you have all the answers and can't possibly be wrong for any reason, right?

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Loved your comment! It is almost personal for ellen isn't it?
            She starts her bloviating over one opinion. That Stanley Dunham was living in Hawaii during her entire pregnancy.
            Does she have evidence of this?
            Facts don't seem to matter to her.
            According to her EVERYONE is a liar EXCEPT those who are covering for obama. How convenient.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Notice that neither Fennec nor Seeks_the-truth have responded to the facts shown above? (I wonder why not????)

          • Been there. Done that. Dug up the links, shown you the research two years ago. Did it make a difference to you? Nah. You like your "bullet-proof" fallacies. You're just as much a narcissist as Obama. Your game is to contradict EVERYTHING and then retreat to the third party appeal when it looks like you're loosing ground. But, isn't it interesting that Obama said himself that this issue was settled? You don't believe him either, do you? Otherwise, you would have left this issue alone. Why dig yourself into the same hole as the people you oppose, if you're right? Oh, but you made the claim that this wasn't for people on this site that think Obama is hiding something. You said this is for 'uninformed' people that don't know the facts. Well, that's a bunch of bull pucky. This is the LEAST efficient way to spread that propaganda. Start your own forum and don't insult the intelligence of the people you claim are 'uninformed'. That's right, you're calling them too stupid to figure things out without your "guidance". So, why should they listen to a person that at the same time, slaps them in the face? So, it isn't about them, it isn't about Obama. This is about you seeking validation. It's a game to you. A game you're obsessed with and with you admitting to suffering from insomnia, you're loosing sleep over this issue. So, it isn't about "the facts" at all. It's about you triumphing over a group of people that go to a site for the sole purpose of being informed. So, it doesn't matter if I debunk your so-called facts or not. You could care less. This is your own demented little game and you're pretending like you're winning. That's borderline insanity, right there. It's too bad only Mike Zullo and his team know who you really are and we don't. Otherwise, we could get you some much needed help. My advice, stop feeding your obsession or it will destroy what's left of your mind.

          • smrstrauss says:

            Notice that Fennec has, once again, not answered a single fact. That is simply a long explanation of why Fennic hasn't replied to the facts. Well, they still are the facts. Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data and the birth notices and the teacher who wrote home and the two confirmations from Kapiolani Hospital (neither of which birther sites showed their readers—I wonder why not??) ALL show.

          • Tell me, who are you to say what qualifies as fact and what doesn't? Who are you to say what qualifies as evidence and what does not? Are you specially trained as a lawyer? I think not. You keep resorting to the strawman tactic, too. You're argument is weak. Your source, Dr. Conspiracy is also weak and unreliable considering his admitted bias. I do not respond to your so-called facts this time around because I've already done so. Or does your condition cloud your memory as it is inclined to do? Or is it just more convenient to ignore my past counter arguments? Why also do you dismiss the information brought forward as being that from strictly 'birther sites'? They cannot all be 'birther sites' and as I have seen, not all of them are. You are simply labeling counter information as invalid as a default defense–I wonder why? You are bending certain facts to suit theories rather than the other way around–I wonder why? You go as far as to discount every counter point as straight up lies without proving they are, leaving outside observers to take you at your word alone–I wonder why? You make grand assumptions based on a fragment of information that could very well be false, yet assert that your word is the absolute truth, then proceed to refer to your opposition as 'looney' and 'nutty', thinking that will strengthen your position–I wonder why? The witnesses, the accounts, the careful government procedures, the Xerox machine, the people in high places with crucial jobs, all conveniently made mistakes or had glitches as you would contend–I wonder why? You even discredit your own counter evidence after someone finds a hole in it and continue with your propaganda as if nothing was wrong–I wonder why? If one carefully examined the content of your comments, they could easily come to the conclusion that you are trying your hardest to cover something up–I wonder why? You try very hard to play defense lawyer and spin doctor at the same time–I wonder why? You are so fond of pointing out that I do not respond to the facts when it is YOU that is issuing a challenge, then you talk around me when I respond to you like you knew you were losing an argument–I wonder why? Can you not respond to ME, the person issuing a challenge to you? Are you afraid? You don't even know me yet you treat me like I'm some threat to you. I will repeat my assessment of you: you are worried we're right and you have your doubts about Obama. You make it blindingly clear. It is evident by your refusal to let it alone as though you were obsessed with the issue–I wonder why??

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Don't you know by now? According to ellen, EVERYONE is a liar EXCEPT those who defend obama.
            It's almost personal for her to be shown that the birth certificate is fake. That obama is using a fake social security number.
            I could see her being in front of the line telling the Holocaust victims "Come on in! The showers are warm!"

            You also point out an important fact. The fake birth certificate is the ONLY subject she will comment on. Why is that?
            Obsession is an understatement.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            What 'fact' did you supply? You have yet to supply one single fact.
            Just because you repeat your claims doesn't negate the fact that the birth certificate has been proven to be a fake.
            That no one in the Hawaiian DOH has confirmed they have a match to the document presented as a birth certificate for obama. That ANYONE can apply, and receive, a birth certificate from Hawaii in 1961 regardless of where they were born.
            Unless you were there between Stanley Dunham's legs as she pushed the baby out, you can't state anything as certain.
            Especially since all your 'evidence' are opinions and theories.

            I wonder why you refuse to give EVIDENCE?????

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            "I wonder why not????"
            Because you haven't presented any facts. Do so and I can respond.
            So far all you've posted is opinions and theories.

          • No-no. She doesn't want you to respond to her "facts". She wants you to "answer" as if there was a question asked. Odd she would use that wording as there were no questions being asked in regards to her so-called "facts". She seems more fond of imposing rather than inquiring. But, I believe we're dealing with someone teetering on the edge of loosing their sanity.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            Teetering? With her obsession-compulsion of defending her messiah disorder, I think she has went over the edge.
            What's also concerning is her over dependency on the one opinion site. She lives in a cave and fed what they want her to repeat and she eats it up. She uses opinions as facts unaware there are actual documents that contradict her theories.
            Did you see where she was unaware that we took a major hit with the GM stock sales? She wrote (in caps) that the taxpayers made a huge profit! Obviously not knowing we took a $10.5 BILLION dollar loss on that corporate welfare.
            Such in the lives of a LIV obama worshiper.

  7. Patricia Slomanski says:

    Obummer REAL father is Frank Marshall Davis. Obummer looks just like him. Davis was a communist during the 20th century. Of course, Obummer's mother was, too. Find some pictures and compare Davis with Obama. You will see the resemblance.

    • smrstrauss says:

      That is possible because Davis was in Hawaii. Of course, it is only as likely as your real father not being the same man as on your birth certificate or my real father not being the same man as on my birth certificate or Mitt Romney's real father not being the same man as on his birth certificate. And, guess what, it doesn't matter either legally or politically. It simply does not matter. Do you have the impression that a person can inherit his political philosophy through his DNA? (Well, you cannot.) Obama is to the RIGHT of Hillary and Joe Biden and has disappointed the liberal wing of his party A LOT. So, if Davis were his real father—which, as I said, is unlikely—then, so what?

      (On the other hand the willingness of the far right to speculate that two separate men could have been his father, one of whom they have no evidence was even in the same place at the necessary time, says a lot about them.)

      • Seeks_the_truth says:

        If Davis was in Hawaii, then he couldn't be obama's birth father. Why else would Stanley Duhnam have a passport if not to pay for these stanky, nasty men's booty call on her?
        Rather sad when, as a female, she pays out of her own pocket to travel overseas to give it up to such third world trash.

        Shows your desperation when you try to drag Mitt Romney into your arguments. No one CARES who his father is. He isn't the one who STOLE the white house.
        It's quite telling when his OWN liberal party talks out AGAINST HIM and his MARXIST agenda.

        Enjoy! http://tcotreport.com/liberal-constitutional-expe

        • smrstrauss says:

          Davis could be Obama's father because Obama's mother was in Hawaii in late 1960 attending college and Davis also was in Hawaii. But the chance of Davis being Obama's father is only as good as someone other than the father listed on your birth certificate not being your real father or the father listed on my birth certificate not being my real father or the father listed on Geoge W. Bush's birth certificate (which, BTW, has never been published, being other than Bush41.)

          Obama's party has not walked out on him, and he is FAR from a Marxist. In fact, he had the opportunity to nationalize the banks shortly after he became president in 2009—and didn't. Instead of keeping control of General Motors, he had the stock sold AT A PROFIT.

      • "Obama is to the RIGHT of Hillary and Joe Biden and has disappointed the liberal wing of his party A LOT." Even after he had been voted as the most extreme far left leaning senator in his party? Nice try. Comparing three evils and claiming one is the lesser of the two? Typical sugar-coating. So, you're acknowledging that Obama is bad…but you still defend his eligibility. That's a contradiction in itself. You're effectively giving him a pass, in other words. "Oh, it's okay for him to betray America, but at least he's legit and he's not as bad as these other two." That's a horrible fallacy. You make it sound like the guy could smash up your car, murder your family, poison your dog and burn your house down and you'd be alright with it because he's the president. But, there's something else you're unwittingly admitting to. You think it's possible for Davis to be Obama's real father, but if that's true that confirms the certificate of live birth is a fake. What then does that entail? Obama hasn't just broken the law but deceived the American people as well. But, you want to give him a pass because at least it means he was born in Hawaii? Where he was born is not the contention. You keep over looking that. That Obama is hiding something through deliberate forgery IS the issue. But, lets look at it this way. If he really is legit, he CAN be impeached. Is that really your argument? Because if Obama ISN'T legit, he can't be impeached as President because he isn't legally President. Which means he can still go to prison as an enemy infiltrator. So, which is it? You can't have it both ways.

    • Seeks_the_truth says:

      What else do you expect from a slut that spreads her legs for anyone or thing all over the world. Since she had a passport in 1960, you can bet she had her legs spread for some stanky, nasty thing sweating all over her in the middle of some hut in a third world countries slums.
      Rather sad when, as a woman, you pay out of your own pocket to travel overseas to give it up to such trash.

  8. Crazy-Sane person says:

    Thank you, smrstrauss. You have given justifiable facts. And MLC, you can’t just call someone anything just because they disagree with you. Like the great German philosopher, Fedriech Gustam, once said,“ Every point of view is Valid”.

    • Justifiable facts? Under what standard? Her primary source is from a man that admits he's no expert and does what he does because he thinks "birthers" are all crazy, no other reason given. Can you really trust the information of a man with a clear bias and political slant? You're not worried about information being clouded and tainted by disdain for a group of people that just want answers? I think you might want to re-evaluate how you view information. Facts are neutral. They do not take sides and they illuminate truth. When someone twists and distorts a fact to suit a theory, that cannot be trusted as a source. I don't know about you, but I don't take kindly to being presented with information and then being told I'm stupid in the same instant. If I told you the Earth was flat and then punched you in the face, would you feel inclined to believe me? What if I were to then immediately turn around and declare to anyone listening that anybody that believed contrary to me was a mindless moron, pointing to you in that same instant? How inclined would you be to believe me after that?

      • Crazy-Sane person says:

        As I said before. “ All points of view are Valid".

        Remember and ALWAYS remember that.

        • Sounds like relativism to me, "My truth is as good as your truth." or "There really is no good or bad, right or wrong." and so on. Sorry, I don't subscribe to relativism. On top of that, you're employing a dodge. Your answer is neither here nor there and doesn't really have anything to do with my questions.

          • Crazy-Sane person says:

            I’m trying to say that what point would it serve

            In the end, no one will be proven right or wrong

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            There you are wrong. Facts can only lead to one end, the truth.
            Views are not facts. Evidence is fact.
            You can't claim a view, or opinion, as a fact then call everyone else a liar when the evidence says otherwise.

            In the end, the facts will win. Some proved right and others wrong.

          • Seeks_the_truth says:

            In other words, I said so and that makes it a fact irregardless of what the evidence says.

          • Crazy-Sane person says:

            So, what do you think about my earlier question about Michigan

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